* a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive
@ 2018-02-05 4:09 Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2018-02-09 4:28 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor
2018-02-13 5:47 ` Carl Worth
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor @ 2018-02-05 4:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Notmuch Mail
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Hi all--
I did a bit of experimenting with Brian Sniffen's proposed notmuch-web
branch, and it's now (temporarily) publishing a view of the notmuch
mailing list here:
https://nmbug.notmuchmail.org/btsmail/
I DO NOT EXPECT THIS URL TO BE STABLE -- please do not use links to it
in permanent places, this is just for experimentation at the moment.
I'll send a series of patches to the list shortly that include some
cleanup to nmweb, but you can also find them on the nmweb branch at:
https://gitlab.com/dkg/notmuch
I welcome feedback on the public installation!
The outstanding things that i think need to change in the nmbug branch
before i'd be comfortable adopting this are:
* rely on non-bundled versions of jquery -- we don't want to have to
maintain them in the notmuch git repo.
* ensure that the paths are configurable -- the code currently
hardcodes "/btsmail", which is just a convenience, and also enforces
that "static/cache" lives inside the directory -- this should be
separable from the code.
* the user needs need some easy way to move from message to message (next by
thread, next by date?)
nice-to-haves:
* be able to go from message view to thread view
* the sender name is hyperlinked, but it's a mailto: link. I think it
should instead link to a view that shows messages from that person,
or something like that -- most folks don't have their mailto: set up
properly.
and we also need to fix a few things on nmbug:
* delivering messages with "notmuch insert" (or invoking "notmuch new"
after message delivery)
* we need to make sure that the mail archive remains world-readable
(you might find that the archive disappears -- please ping me on IRC
if it happens and i'll try to track down how that's happening)
if you try it out, let me know what you think.
Many thanks to Brian Sniffen for getting this rolling.
--dkg
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread* Re: a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive 2018-02-05 4:09 a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive Daniel Kahn Gillmor @ 2018-02-09 4:28 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor 2018-02-10 18:57 ` Brian Sniffen 2018-02-13 5:47 ` Carl Worth 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor @ 2018-02-09 4:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Notmuch Mail [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 976 bytes --] On Sun 2018-02-04 23:09:35 -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > I did a bit of experimenting with Brian Sniffen's proposed notmuch-web > branch, and it's now (temporarily) publishing a view of the notmuch > mailing list here: > > https://nmbug.notmuchmail.org/btsmail/ > > I DO NOT EXPECT THIS URL TO BE STABLE -- please do not use links to it > in permanent places, this is just for experimentation at the moment. this is gradually getting better. new messages to the list are automatically archived and visible here, and the archive doesn't spontaneously break in ways i can't predict. it does still break every time an authorized user does "nmbug push" though, and i don't currently understand why. I'm putting in place a workaround for it but if anyone has suggestions for debugging it server-side, i'm all ears. nmbug is backed server-side by gitolite, and i don't know gitolite well enough to know how it sets umask or permissions by default. --dkg [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 832 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive 2018-02-09 4:28 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor @ 2018-02-10 18:57 ` Brian Sniffen 2018-02-11 20:03 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Brian Sniffen @ 2018-02-10 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor; +Cc: Notmuch Mail It looks like you have thread next/pref turned off. Is there a reason, including the reason that I hadn’t documented it? -- Brian Sniffen > On Feb 8, 2018, at 11:28 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> wrote: > >> On Sun 2018-02-04 23:09:35 -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> >> I did a bit of experimenting with Brian Sniffen's proposed notmuch-web >> branch, and it's now (temporarily) publishing a view of the notmuch >> mailing list here: >> >> https://nmbug.notmuchmail.org/btsmail/ >> >> I DO NOT EXPECT THIS URL TO BE STABLE -- please do not use links to it >> in permanent places, this is just for experimentation at the moment. > > this is gradually getting better. new messages to the list are > automatically archived and visible here, and the archive doesn't > spontaneously break in ways i can't predict. > > it does still break every time an authorized user does "nmbug push" > though, and i don't currently understand why. I'm putting in place a > workaround for it but if anyone has suggestions for debugging it > server-side, i'm all ears. nmbug is backed server-side by gitolite, and > i don't know gitolite well enough to know how it sets umask or > permissions by default. > > --dkg > _______________________________________________ > notmuch mailing list > notmuch@notmuchmail.org > https://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive 2018-02-10 18:57 ` Brian Sniffen @ 2018-02-11 20:03 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor 2018-02-15 16:06 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor @ 2018-02-11 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Brian Sniffen; +Cc: Notmuch Mail On Sat 2018-02-10 13:57:34 -0500, Brian Sniffen wrote: > It looks like you have thread next/pref turned off. Is there a reason, > including the reason that I hadn’t documented it? nope, i just didn't fiddle with it much beyond setting it up and trying to make sure the system integration didn't seem wildly dangerous. happy to tweak it further, and will take any recommendations. :) thanks for working on this, Brian! --dkg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive 2018-02-11 20:03 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor @ 2018-02-15 16:06 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor 2018-02-15 20:47 ` Brian Sniffen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor @ 2018-02-15 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Brian Sniffen; +Cc: Notmuch Mail On Sun 2018-02-11 15:03:05 -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On Sat 2018-02-10 13:57:34 -0500, Brian Sniffen wrote: >> It looks like you have thread next/pref turned off. Is there a reason, >> including the reason that I hadn’t documented it? > > nope, i just didn't fiddle with it much beyond setting it up and trying > to make sure the system integration didn't seem wildly dangerous. happy > to tweak it further, and will take any recommendations. :) hm, looking into this a little bit, i don't actually see how to turn it on. if you've got pointers or documentation, i would be happy to read it. --dkg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive 2018-02-15 16:06 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor @ 2018-02-15 20:47 ` Brian Sniffen 2018-02-15 23:42 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Brian Sniffen @ 2018-02-15 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor; +Cc: Notmuch Mail [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 902 bytes --] show_thread_nav = True , and take through https://github.com/briansniffen/notmuch/commit/021c914fc5cc1029778794cc5630373041066889 -- Brian Sniffen > On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> wrote: > >> On Sun 2018-02-11 15:03:05 -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >>> On Sat 2018-02-10 13:57:34 -0500, Brian Sniffen wrote: >>> It looks like you have thread next/pref turned off. Is there a reason, >>> including the reason that I hadn’t documented it? >> >> nope, i just didn't fiddle with it much beyond setting it up and trying >> to make sure the system integration didn't seem wildly dangerous. happy >> to tweak it further, and will take any recommendations. :) > > hm, looking into this a little bit, i don't actually see how to turn it > on. if you've got pointers or documentation, i would be happy to read > it. > > --dkg [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2022 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive 2018-02-15 20:47 ` Brian Sniffen @ 2018-02-15 23:42 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor @ 2018-02-15 23:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Brian Sniffen; +Cc: Notmuch Mail [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4437 bytes --] On Thu 2018-02-15 15:47:21 -0500, Brian Sniffen wrote: > show_thread_nav = True , and take through https://github.com/briansniffen/notmuch/commit/021c914fc5cc1029778794cc5630373041066889 ah, i'd missed some of your commits, apparently. thanks for the pointer. https://notmuchmail.org/btsmail is now running my merged changes. We're moving in the right direction! Since i pulled these in and made a few more changes, we've now got the following: * we have a threaded view from each message * nmweb is configurable via the environment, no need to tweak config in the code itself I've also just opened a pull request on github for you to merge my cleanup, if you're interested: https://github.com/briansniffen/notmuch/pull/1 We're going to need to do some git history cleanup eventually if we want this merged on the notmuch mainline, but i figure it'd be better if we sync up earlier rather than later :) for the record, there are a few errors i'm seeing now from poking around on nmweb. in particular, i get an error here in the tree walk when looking at what appears to be a bounced e-mail (the fact that bounced e-mails probably shouldn't show up in this archive is a separate bug): https://nmbug.notmuchmail.org/btsmail/show/E1ehr4h-0000Dc-0w%40nmbug Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: Traceback (most recent call last): Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/web/application.py", line 257, in process Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: return self.handle() Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/web/application.py", line 248, in handle Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: return self._delegate(fn, self.fvars, args) Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/web/application.py", line 488, in _delegate Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: return handle_class(cls) Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/web/application.py", line 466, in handle_class Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: return tocall(*args) Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "/home/nmweb/notmuch/contrib/notmuch-web/nmweb.py", line 172, in GET Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: sprefix=webprefix) Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 989, in render Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: return self.environment.handle_exception(exc_info, True) Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 754, in handle_exception Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: reraise(exc_type, exc_value, tb) Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 37, in reraise Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: raise value.with_traceback(tb) Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "templates/show.html", line 1, in top-level template code Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: {% extends "base.html" %} Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "templates/base.html", line 32, in top-level template code Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: {% block content %} Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "templates/show.html", line 12, in block "content" Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: {% for part in format_message(m.get_filename(),mid): %}{{ part|safe }}{% endfor %} Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: File "/home/nmweb/notmuch/contrib/notmuch-web/nmweb.py", line 241, in format_message_walk Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: parts.pop() Feb 15 18:27:13 nmbug gunicorn3[30460]: IndexError: pop from empty list Also, i noticed that just searching by date (with no terms) fails with a Xapian error because " date:…" gets quote_plus'ed to "+date:…" and notmuch gets confused by the leading "+" -- maybe we're missing an unquote_plus or something? Finally, we're clearly not escaping the subject lines correctly. Look at the threading here: https://nmbug.notmuchmail.org/btsmail/show/cover.1392309570.git.wking%40tremily.us Does anyone have a preference for the URL to use for more permanent web-based view of the mailing list archive? thanks for this work, Brian! --dkg [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 227 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive 2018-02-05 4:09 a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive Daniel Kahn Gillmor 2018-02-09 4:28 ` Daniel Kahn Gillmor @ 2018-02-13 5:47 ` Carl Worth 2018-02-13 16:56 ` J. Lewis Muir 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Carl Worth @ 2018-02-13 5:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor, Notmuch Mail [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1698 bytes --] On Sun, Feb 04 2018, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > I did a bit of experimenting with Brian Sniffen's proposed notmuch-web > branch, and it's now (temporarily) publishing a view of the notmuch > mailing list here: > > https://nmbug.notmuchmail.org/btsmail/ Thanks, Brian and Daniel! When I first started on notmuch, I was hoping that one immediate benefit would be that free-software projects could finally have working web archives of their mailing lists, (without thread views breaking at arbitrary boundaries such as months or years). I guess the "immediate" aspect of my hope didn't play out so much, but I am very excited to see this now. So, thanks again! At first glance I saw "terms ... after ... before" and thought that the after/before fields were for some sort of contextual context, but I finally figured out what those were actually for. So maybe it would help to add some text along the lines of "Limit to date range" or so. And now that we have real date searching, it might make sense to use that in the searching instead of the time stamp. Another thing that might be nice for selecting dates ranges is the ability to select something less precise than a particular day. Searching for all the messages in a month with something like: notmuch search date:2018-01 or even a year with: notmuch search date:2018 is pretty darn convenient in notmuch, or even to search across two months with: notmuch search date:2018-01..2018-02 It would be nice to not lose that kind of convenience in a web interface. Anyway, thanks again. This is looking great, and I will look forward to entirely removing the pipermail-based archives from the website as soon as we can. -Carl [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 832 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: a temporary nmweb view of notmuch mailing list archive 2018-02-13 5:47 ` Carl Worth @ 2018-02-13 16:56 ` J. Lewis Muir 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: J. Lewis Muir @ 2018-02-13 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carl Worth; +Cc: Daniel Kahn Gillmor, Notmuch Mail On 02/12, Carl Worth wrote: > At first glance I saw "terms ... after ... before" and thought that the > after/before fields were for some sort of contextual context, but I > finally figured out what those were actually for. So maybe it would help > to add some text along the lines of "Limit to date range" or so. Or maybe drop the "Terms", "After", and "Before" text fields, and just have a single text field labeled "Query". The date range can be expressed in the query. Provide a help link for some basics on the query syntax (e.g., like [1] and [2]), including how to search by date. Lewis [1]: https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/134479 [2]: https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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