From: Rainer M Krug <R.M.Krug@gmail.com>
To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org
Subject: Re: Better Gmail handling by not using Notmuch tags
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:23:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <50573255.3000009@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5056D761.9@gmail.com>
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On 17/09/12 09:55, Rainer M Krug wrote:
> On 14/09/12 18:27, Mark Anderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:50:01 +0200, Rainer M Krug
>> <R.M.Krug@gmail.com> wrote: On 13/09/12 17:15, Damien Cassou
>> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Jeremy Nickurak
>>>>> <not-much@trk.nickurak.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> Gmail doesn't have folders, of course, it has labels, which are approximately
>>>>>> equivalent to notmuch tags. The key difference being that a message can only be in
>>>>>> one folder, but it can have multiple tags/labels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gmail exports its labels as IMAP folders: an email with multiple labels will be
>>>>> duplicated in multiple folders (one per label). That's why I'm asking if it would be
>>>>> possible to manupale folders from Notmuch instead of tags.
>>>>>
>
>> I don't think there is an easy solution. notmuch uses a maildir and tags. Gmail needs to be
>> synced to this local maildir earlier, and this is where I think the problem comes in: I am
>> not aware of any sync tool which maintains the gmail labels, as they are in in the imap
>> context folders.
>
>> I think the only real solution woud be:
>
>> Download from gmail -> local: 1) download only the "All Mail" folder 2) implement a tagging
>> tool which syncs the gmail labels to notmuch tags
>
>>> Gmail's IMAP protocol does expose a folder hierarchy which you can use to reverse engineer
>>> the tag cloud of each email.
>
>
> <<SNIP a lot>>
>
> Wow - I learned a lot about notmuch and how things can be done - thanks for this explanation.
Thinking about it again - wouldn't it be possible, that notmuch automatically is doing the "folder
- --> tag" step (when a corresponding option is set), and automatically adds all the folders to the
message tags when the same message-id is encountered in different folders?
Rainer
>
>>> Of course this is terrible on performance, as you will have lots of
>
> I guess this will be the problem: a typical gmail user, keeps the emails - one has 10GB as
> storage, so why delete potentially important mails?
>
> So I guess this would be a case for e.g. offlineimap.
>
>>> copies of mails when you have lots of tags on your mail, but here's a summary of the
>>> actions you need to coordinate to keep them in sync.
>
> <SNIP>>
>
>>> The benefit of using the mail sync is it uses a widely distributed mail synchronization
>>> model, but it really tags expensive to synchronize. It gets better if you use the Gmail
>>> imap extensions that can list the tags without your client requesting a copy of the entire
>>> email for each tag the mail has. However, Even when you have that, you don't have
>>> bulletproof mail, because the actions need to be guaranteed to complete before
>>> synchronization and after synchronization, and any user changes need to be held off, as
>>> they _will_ be interpreted incorrectly if they take place during the pre-sync, sync,
>>> post-sync window.
>
> It would then definitely be useful to include this in offlineimap - effectively have a
> "tagging" sync model, where only the "All Mail" folder is synched, and for the tags, a database
> is kept, which contains the tags for each message-id. This could then be used from notmuch (or
> other clients) to set the tags of the email.
>
> For the moment I guess I will stick with my only-"All Mails"-sync-and-ignore-tags approach.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rainer
>
>
>
>>> You can simplify this if you make guarantees in your usage model. That you will never do
>>> tagging operations during a pre-, sync, post- cycle, or that you only do synchronization
>>> one way or the other, instead of full bidirectional sync.
>
>>> It's a difficult problem, I look forward to seeing other solutions proposed.
>
>>> Thanks, -Mark Anderson
>
>> upload local -> gmail 1) upload "All Mail folder 2) assign on gmail the labels corresponding
>> to the notmuch tags.
>
>> The step 1 could be done by any sync tool available for this (offlineimap, ...)
>
>> step 2 needs to be developed - no idea how, but it surely would be really usefull, because
>> then notmuch would even become a perfect tool for gmail backup as well.
>
>> Cheers,
>
>> Rainer
>>>
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>
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-09-17 14:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-09-13 14:35 Better Gmail handling by not using Notmuch tags Damien Cassou
2012-09-13 15:13 ` Jeremy Nickurak
2012-09-13 15:15 ` Damien Cassou
2012-09-14 7:50 ` Rainer M Krug
2012-09-14 8:32 ` Christophe-Marie Duquesne
2012-09-14 8:37 ` Rainer M Krug
2012-09-14 8:52 ` Christophe-Marie Duquesne
2012-09-14 13:07 ` Jeremy Nickurak
2012-09-14 13:09 ` Jeremy Nickurak
2012-09-14 14:40 ` Jeremy Nickurak
2012-09-14 16:27 ` Mark Anderson
2012-09-14 17:57 ` Michal Nazarewicz
2012-09-17 7:55 ` Rainer M Krug
2012-09-17 14:23 ` Rainer M Krug [this message]
2012-10-03 8:10 ` Rainer M Krug
2012-09-14 12:05 ` Justus Winter
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