From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D544E4041DA for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:37:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at olra.theworths.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=disabled Received: from olra.theworths.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (olra.theworths.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KyXCMPcr4Ake for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E3374041D4 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so3459479wer.26 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :content-language:user-agent; bh=JoeWwk99T38xQ6eJYlC12pmnnFWw3sx9kZCwDrtaOtE=; b=x/D4AV9InVzxY1d5ogt6Lq/5S6nxCS5ZLYyoHEw3/qGMBKEE3p+fp1LLlfwTVtDhq7 IMUxaRacygOtEaZLtGpeYCZIvbu6Vq1P0PT8GkPzz2cMWgiVhyOCWzlf8c1bbHsfDVxi J+TFEQZ88qcNvVBthB5QwNerBtSpkcUtLukqLrmUQwnq0lsMu6JVMVxPHH4Ne5+F6sTJ EjPc1jI6ZI2PD4A6uDb5hS0qtmDUj1cp3Rld9sr5FtpJEwIS/rIZXRO8M/CxpZsCNW7g zmx9qfWtvNXc80tzhd/nWfYR8kCmREW4ntFyq+5ClCCuGX9xrSPb8/WVJ8u92PXyo4TH cEoA== Received: by 10.180.103.35 with SMTP id ft3mr1277467wib.0.1334007430666; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip-66-241-175-42.cmts-dhcp.way.huntel.net. [66.241.175.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w10sm53523797wiy.3.2012.04.09.14.37.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:36:45 -0500 From: green To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org Subject: Re: Message deletion wisdom Message-ID: <20120409213645.GQ3581@swansys> Mail-Followup-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org References: <0cc49af3-5415-419d-97ef-2bec76117d63@CERNFE22.cern.ch> <87sjgk2xzf.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <87k41ucfqc.fsf@marcos.anarcat.ath.cx> <3wdobr4vclt.fsf@testarossa.amd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3wdobr4vclt.fsf@testarossa.amd.com> Content-Language: en User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: notmuch@notmuchmail.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:37:14 -0000 --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Anderson wrote at 2012-04-06 15:17 -0500: > On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:20:43 -0400, Antoine Beaupr=C3=A9 wrote: > > Finally, I want to voice that I feel a "delete" key, even if it doesn't > > delete mails, seems like an important part of a mail user > > agent. Archiving mail is one thing, but for the love and respect of > > sysadmins and the infrastructure they maintain, please consider adding > > at least a way to *tag* those deleted emails. > >=20 > > Having the above keys being defined as standard in notmuch don't seem > > like much to ask. > >=20 > > This may be a dissenting view here, but your mail is not that > > important. :P >=20 > Hear! Hear! I agree also. I receive lots of mail that I never want to see again, nor d= o=20 I want to see it still existing anywhere in my /home/user or in my backups.= =20 Someone might argue "but what if you decide you want it later" but I can us= e=20 an Expires header to mark a message like "delete in 2 months", so I still= =20 have a chance to retrieve it within an amount of time I choose. Somewhat related is the concept of saving spam messages. I can understand= =20 the reasoning behind training bayesian filters, but I have never kept spam.= =20 I switched to bogofilter recently, and it was correctly filtering mail very= =20 quickly, perhaps within a few weeks (I did train it using non-spam messages= ). --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+DVmwACgkQ682C+dBP+oQOlgCgsJuzNi3YLD5dE66D6ildrUNs 6UIAn22pctj1mXCpLaOA29cIcui8qZGd =Gb9g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW--