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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Jean Louis Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Franti=C5=A1ek_Ku=C4=8Dera?= , "guix-devel@gnu.org" , "rms@gnu.org" , "fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org" , "gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org" =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Me= ssage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:27 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > - P pronaip@protonmail.com [2019-10-12 20:03]: > > > =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Origina= l Message =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80= =90 > > On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:53 PM, Jean Louis bugs@gnu.support wrot= e: > > > > > When you have reviewed the facts and not just blindly respond back > > > with your emotional reaction, let me know, as I like exchanging on > > > true facts, not emotional or political responses. > > > Jean > > > > Have you reviewed the facts about harassment and sexism in free > > software? It doesn't look like you have. > > Yes, I did, did not I give you facts? > > I have also immediately asked Ludovic Court=C3=A8s as he was promoting hi= s > feminist views in Guix IRC channel. So Ludovic said it is abort() joke > and Emacs Virgin joke and MIT episodes, see IRC logs from 7th October > and 8th October. > > So yes, I did and I asked for facts before anything. I am adult person > and not an immature child that cannot confront other people. > > Facts: > https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/ > https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ > > See: > My Thoughts on the Richard Stallman "Scandal" by Jacob > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZGF17TbbBcE > > How does Dr. Richard Stallman lead GNU Project? > > Dr. Richard Stallman contacts opinion leaders and forwards free software: > https://www.zdnet.com/article/free-software-advocate-richard-stallman-spo= ke-at-microsoft-research-this-week/ > > He teaches the world on free software: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyCh8EcBrptA > > > Or did you not bother to click the links in Wingo's blog post? > > Yes, I did clck the links, I did not find any facts on their > statement. On two ocassions I have answered to Andy Wingo, and did not > get any answer. Those feminists which I respect in their own > viewpoints, they are spreading the nonsense on other networks, but not > gaining support enough. My last answer, the second one to Wingo is > here: > https://www.reddit.com/r/gnu/comments/dgelag/thoughts_on_rms_and_gnu_wing= olog/f3eglgb/ > > And I welcome and suggest that all feminist politics go to Reddit or > any other pages but remain out of GNU as GNU is apolitical project for > free software only, and free software only. > > Jean Louis What do you mean by "did not find any facts"? This is the part I'm especially curious about: ``` The great tragedy of RMS's tenure in the supposedly universalist FSF and GN= U projects is that he behaves in a way that is particularly alienating to w= omen. It doesn't take a genius to conclude that if you're personally drivin= g away potential collaborators, that's a bad thing for the organization, an= d actively harmful to the organization's goals: software freedom is a cause= that is explicitly for everyone. https://twitter.com/quince/status/1172290834974142464 https://twitter.com/corbett/status/994012399656042496 https://twitter.com/starsandrobots/status/994267277460619265 https://twitter.com/alizatw/status/994682557726781440 https://twitter.com/suzanne_hillman/status/994596833761660928 https://twitter.com/MsAmandaDean/status/994162185247997952 https://twitter.com/wiredferret/status/1173042834179534849 https://twitter.com/bella_velo/status/1172524864193945603 https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f8= 8 ``` Can you actually refute their claims?