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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -5.34 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9258E20F06 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.34 X-TUID: DXSFXw7AvblM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------QrY6yL6ee3UFQgSLGBVSdrte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Am 05.02.24 um 19:44 schrieb Suhail: > Could you please share a reference where the key difficulties you > encountered wrt the "current mail-based workflow" are summarized. Is > the difficulty regd. checking out the code at the right commit and > installing the patches, or something else? It's not only installing and testing the patches, but also * when has this issue/patch been worked on last - is somebody currently working on it * what issue/patches I started to review? * commenting on code requires to download the patch - strip out parts which are okay, comment, then mail the commented code to the correct issue number * Even when using the debbugs interface in emacs o It is is hard to use for occasional users o It is an insurmountable obstacle for those not using emacs. o It does not tell what issues/patches I've been working on already - and waiting for a reply o It does not tell which issues are stale Anyhow, all of this has been discussed several times already. And as long as vocal (and active :-) members of the community insist on being able to work via e-mail — while also not adopting modern e-mail-capable forges — this situation will not change. 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Am 05.02.24 um 19:44 schrieb Suhail: 
Could you please share a reference where the key difficulties you
encountered wrt the "current mail-based workflow" are summarized.  Is
the difficulty regd. checking out the code at the right commit and
installing the patches, or something else?

It's not only installing and testing the patches, but also

  • when has this issue/patch been worked on last - is somebody currently working on it
  • what issue/patches I started to review?
  • commenting on code requires to download the patch - strip out parts which are okay, comment, then mail the commented code to the correct issue number
  • Even when using the debbugs interface in emacs
    • It is is hard to use for occasional users
    • It is an insurmountable obstacle for those not using emacs.
    • It does not tell what issues/patches I've been working on already - and waiting for a reply
    • It does not tell which issues are stale

Anyhow, all of this has been discussed several times already. And as long as vocal (and active :-) members of the community insist on being able to work via e-mail — while also not adopting modern e-mail-capable forges — this situation will not change.

Regards
Hartmut Goebel

| Hartmut Goebel          | h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com               |
| www.crazy-compilers.com | compilers which you thought are impossible |
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