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* Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)
@ 2022-02-25  0:05 zimoun
  2022-02-25  0:09 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
                   ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: zimoun @ 2022-02-25  0:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Guix Devel

Hi,

The current Guix CoC is adapted from v1.4 [1] and this upstream version
contains:

        regardless of age, body size, disability, ethnicity, sex
        characteristics, gender identity and expression, level of
        experience, education, socio-economic status, nationality,
        personal appearance, race, religion, or sexual identity and
        orientation.

and for some unclear reasons the term ’sex characteristics’ is not in
commit a076f19908d06b6df49f1c25c40de8838213cd71.  No reference in the
thread [2] mentioned by the commit message; or I missed it.  2018 is too
old to use my broken memory. :-)

Any opposition to use this upstream v1.4 list instead of the current
one?  Other said, add ’sex characteristics’ to the list.


So, since we are at it, let give a look at the most recent version v2.1
[3]. :-) I propose to adopt their extended list:

        regardless of age, body size, visible or invisible disability,
        ethnicity, sex characteristics, gender identity and expression,
        level of experience, education, socio-economic status,
        nationality, personal appearance, race, caste, color, religion,
        or sexual identity and orientation.

Any opposition?

The version 2.1 also adds «Enforcement guidelines».  I propose to keep
the current «Further details of specific enforcement policies may be
posted separately.»  While the guidelines might be a good thing.  I do
not have an opinion.  WDYT?

Last, if we update the CoC, do not forget the typo [4].


1: <https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct/>
2: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-05/msg00146.html>
3: <https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/2/1/code_of_conduct/>
4: <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/54077>

Cheers,
simon


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* Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)
@ 2022-02-25 15:18 Blake Shaw
  2022-02-25 17:29 ` Taylan Kammer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Blake Shaw @ 2022-02-25 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: zimoun; +Cc: Guix Devel

zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> writes:

My position remains unchanged: our codes of conduct should do everything
possible to be as inclusive as and open to peoples of marginalized
groups that are discriminated against. White cis men shouldn't be in
charge of deciding whats best for these people. 

As far as I can see, not a single woman has come forward to say that
proposed CoC amendments would benefit or protect them in any way. In
fact the opposite is the case: two have come forward to say that this
appears as ploy by men to debate their gender and experience.

Why are white men so insistent on making changes that would supposedly
increase inclusivity, despite those from marginalized backgrounds saying
the opposite is the case here?

Until a fem contributor comes forward to say that they feel changes
to the current CoC would bring about some tangible protection to them,
it seems to me that this discourse is a case of the dominant white cis
males making changes to "protect women" without the consent of women,
which has never fared well in history.

So with that said, I think decisions concerning women should be left to
women (all women!) to decide.

ez,
b

-- 
“In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni”


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* Re: Update CoC adapted from upstream 2.1 (instead of 1.4)
@ 2022-02-25 22:20 Blake Shaw
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Blake Shaw @ 2022-02-25 22:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Taylan Kammer; +Cc: zimoun, Guix Devel

Taylan Kammer <taylan.kammer@gmail.com> writes:


> The inclusion of 'sex' in the CoC would be to recognize the issues
> faced by female-born people.  As far as I'm aware, no female-born
> person has taken part in the discussion at all, because none seem
> to exist in the community.  (What a coincidence.)

Actually there are cis women in the community. There voices have
just been absent since this discourse began (what a coincidence)

but really, can finally lay this to rest???


-- 
“In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni”


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