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From: Julie Marchant <onpon4@riseup.net>
To: Workgroup for fully free GNU/Linux distributions
	<gnu-linux-libre@nongnu.org>,
	bill-auger <bill-auger@peers.community>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium.
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 09:06:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f82e937f-1d89-1237-c5b4-b5f152f055a7@riseup.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190217024330.65169c55@parabola>

On 02/17/2019 02:43 AM, bill-auger wrote:
> the difference there is that chromium is not one piece of software
> written by one person or even one modestly sized team - it is a
> conglomeration of perhaps 100s of different projects written by perhaps
> 1000s of authors - for some files, it may not actually be known who the
> author is, never mind which license they chose, or when - the word
> "trust" comes into play there, because it is not clear that any one
> single person on the chromium team can honestly account for everything
> in the code-base, much less to authoritatively vouch for all of the
> authors and various licensing

So... the same thing as Linux. And many stores, for that matter. On that
note...

> per your analogy, this is more like the owners of one building giving
> you permission to go anywhere in the city, because they believe that
> every other building in the city shares their trespassing policy -
> though, they can not themselves, demonstrate that they have precise
> knowledge of the exact number of buildings in the city, nor who their
> owners are, nor their owners' trespassing policies

You do know many stores don't own everything in the building, right?
Lots of machinery is owned by third parties such as vendors; coolers
holding drinks, for example, are typically owned and stocked by vendors
such as Coca-Cola and Pepsi. In the Walmart I work at, there's even a
separate business in the exact same building whose area is either owned
or leased by them (I don't know which). Plus, all stores have sections
where customers are not allowed to go (indicated by signs). So no, the
analogy is exactly the same. You see that a door says "Employees Only"
and don't enter; you don't go asking for proof that you can walk
throughout every inch of the store that you seem to have implicit
permission to walk through.

> o/c someone could probably raise exactly the same doubts about mozilla -
> luckily for us though, we are not aware of any, and so are not yet so
> uncomfortably compelled to address them

Are you saying, then, that we are specifically aware of proprietary
software in ungoogled-chromium? Have stated what that proprietary
software is?

After all, if you aren't aware of proprietary software in
ungoogled-chromium, this would seem to be special pleading. Am I wrong?

> most importantly, i personally dont care to argue for nor against
> chromium - i just want all FSDG distros to agree on how it should be
> treated, regardless of what that entails

Why? Are you opposed to individual distros making their own individual
decisions?

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-17 14:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-07 19:58 [bug#28004] Chromium Marius Bakke
2017-08-07 20:23 ` ng0
2017-08-07 21:16   ` Marius Bakke
2017-08-08  5:53     ` ng0
2017-08-08 13:18     ` ng0
2017-08-08 14:22       ` ng0
2017-08-08 15:44         ` ng0
2017-08-08 18:59           ` ng0
2017-08-08 19:51           ` Leo Famulari
2017-08-08 20:46             ` ng0
2017-08-10  5:31 ` Efraim Flashner
2017-08-31  7:36   ` ng0
2017-10-10 13:19 ` ng0
2017-10-11 19:52   ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-12 19:56     ` Leo Famulari
2017-10-12 20:28       ` ng0
2017-10-13  6:51       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-18 22:41         ` Marius Bakke
2017-10-19  5:48           ` ng0
2017-10-24 21:11           ` Marius Bakke
2017-11-05 23:52           ` Marius Bakke
2017-11-10 11:33             ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-04 19:16           ` ng0
2018-01-08 21:56             ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-08 23:20               ` ng0
2018-01-08 23:40                 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-12  0:09                 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-13 19:02                   ` ng0
2018-01-13 19:13                     ` ng0
2018-01-14 12:10                       ` ng0
2018-01-16 14:18                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-16 19:01                     ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-16 19:09                       ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-16 19:22                         ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-16 20:41                           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-17  8:53                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-17 14:55                       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-02-26 18:18                         ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-26 20:01                           ` ng0
2018-02-26 20:06                             ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-26 20:34                               ` ng0
2018-02-26 22:41                               ` Björn Höfling
2018-02-27 21:57                                 ` ng0
2018-02-28 17:38                                 ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-28 18:09                                   ` Björn Höfling
2018-03-16 17:30                                   ` ng0
2018-03-16 17:45                                     ` Marius Bakke
2018-03-16 17:52                                       ` ng0
2018-07-25  8:08                                         ` ng0
2018-08-05 13:04                                           ` Marius Bakke
2018-08-05 16:18                                             ` ng0
2018-08-05 18:25                                               ` Marius Bakke
2018-08-05 20:32                                                 ` ng0
2018-08-05 23:58                                                   ` ng0
2018-08-30 13:25                                                     ` ng0
2018-08-06  8:22                                             ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-08-30  6:04                                               ` Amirouche Boubekki
2018-03-16 19:01                                       ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-03-16 19:34                                         ` ng0
2018-03-16 21:20                                           ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-02-27 22:17                               ` ng0
2018-02-28 17:14                                 ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-27  2:00                           ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-02-28  8:17                             ` ng0
2018-02-28 17:28                             ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-16 20:04                     ` ng0
2018-01-09  6:58               ` ng0
2018-01-12  0:03                 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-12  9:38                   ` ng0
2018-02-26 18:19 ` [bug#28004] [PATCH] gnu: Add chromium Marius Bakke
2018-04-13 19:10 ` [bug#28004] Chromium 65 Marius Bakke
2018-04-17 19:10   ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-04-24 17:05   ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-04-24 18:08     ` [bug#28004] Chromium 66 + status update Marius Bakke
2018-04-24 18:45       ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-04-24 18:48         ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-04-24 18:46       ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-04-24 19:30         ` Marius Bakke
2018-04-25 17:00           ` Leo Famulari
2018-04-25 17:02           ` Leo Famulari
2018-05-03 17:49       ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-03 17:58         ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-04 12:10         ` Marius Bakke
2018-05-04 13:02           ` Nils Gillmann
2018-08-29 23:31 ` [bug#28004] (no subject) Amirouche Boubekki
2018-09-02  4:37 ` [bug#28004] Chromium FSDG requirements Mark H Weaver
2018-09-02 13:16   ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-02 19:20 ` [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium Marius Bakke
2019-02-03 18:16   ` Joshua Branson
2019-02-04  4:52     ` bill-auger
2019-02-04  5:52       ` brettg
2019-02-04  7:46       ` Ineiev
2019-02-04 10:56         ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 14:43           ` Jean Louis
2019-02-04 12:26       ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Julie Marchant
2019-02-04 15:03         ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 13:46       ` [bug#28004] " Leo Famulari
2019-02-04 14:47         ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 22:34       ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-02-04 22:34         ` [bug#28004] " Ludovic Courtès
2019-02-06 21:04         ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Marius Bakke
2019-02-07 23:52         ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-02-07 23:59           ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-16  8:00           ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 10:25             ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-16 14:18               ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-16 15:37                 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Adam Van Ymeren
2019-02-16 19:47                 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2019-02-16 20:01                   ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-16 20:06                     ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-17  1:39                       ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 22:33                         ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Ricardo Wurmus
2019-02-18 12:05                           ` bill-auger
2019-02-18 12:15                             ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-02-18 13:44                             ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-02-18 19:22                               ` Simon Nielsen
2019-02-19 20:45                                 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " bill-auger
     [not found]                         ` <671b6c83-0ed0-84eb-4cc5-b6a8fd14cb90@fsf.org>
     [not found]                           ` <20190220010728.3426713f@parabola>
     [not found]                             ` <87r2c2ms4l.fsf@fastmail.com>
     [not found]                               ` <20190220114742.0d2034fb@parabola>
     [not found]                                 ` <87ftsim7qc.fsf@fastmail.com>
     [not found]                                   ` <1740db7c-29c4-137e-85b7-33c9a6b71b16@hyperbola.info>
2019-02-21  8:02                                     ` bug#34605: ungoogled-chromium: proprietary codecs enabled? Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-21 15:50                                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2021-11-14  1:29                                         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2019-02-16 20:07                   ` [GNU-linux-libre] [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium Alex Griffin
2019-02-17  1:49                     ` bill-auger
2019-02-17  1:37                 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17  2:30                   ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-17  2:42                     ` bill-auger
2019-02-17  4:19                       ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-17  7:43                         ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 14:06                           ` Julie Marchant [this message]
2019-02-18  7:43                             ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 20:55                 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-02-16 11:16             ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-02-16 12:55               ` ng0
2019-02-16 13:10                 ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-02-18 13:47               ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2019-02-16 15:10             ` znavko
2019-02-16 15:50             ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-16 16:20               ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Amin Bandali
2019-02-16 16:33                 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-16 19:27                   ` Amin Bandali
2019-02-17  2:20                   ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 16:34               ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-02-16 16:54                 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-17  3:38                 ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 18:56             ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-19 16:28               ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-09 14:04       ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2019-02-03 20:21   ` Amin Bandali
2019-02-05  5:22   ` [bug#28004] " swedebugia
2019-02-05  5:22     ` swedebugia
2019-02-12 15:58   ` [PATCH v2] " Marius Bakke
2019-02-18 22:43     ` [bug#28004] " Marius Bakke

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