From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55203) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1epusX-0001xD-TS for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:54:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1epusU-0004Ev-QL for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:54:05 -0500 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:51596) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1epusU-0004Ej-Md for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:54:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1epusU-0003no-CW for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:54:02 -0500 Subject: [bug#30469] [PATCH 0/1] Require Guile >= 2.0.14 Resent-Message-ID: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55128) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1epus4-0001tE-Iq for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:53:37 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1epus1-0003j7-GV for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:53:36 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:40101) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1epus1-0003gr-6L for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:53:33 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.186] ([87.123.199.221]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MIeTI-1es7n81osq-002E0s for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2018 12:53:30 +0100 References: <20180215152627.4695-1-ludo@gnu.org> <20180224083032.4f5f1e36@centurylink.net> <87k1v280yz.fsf@gnu.org> From: Jonathan Brielmaier Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 12:53:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87k1v280yz.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+kyle=kyleam.com@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-patches" To: 30469@debbugs.gnu.org On 02/24/2018 11:41 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote:>> How much of this patch would change if it were to instead support >> 2.0.13? Is cutting off users of Debian stable a good idea? > > I’ll double-check but I think the patch remains valid if we require > 2.0.13. Opensuse Leap 15 will have 2.0.14, so I would be okay with it. > If it works I’ll commit that next week. > >>> I’d also like it to be the last release that support Guile 2.0. >> >> Same question. > > 2.2 is becoming quite widespread in distros. > > Overall it’s a cost/benefit tradeoff, and we have to take into account > that most users get Guix using the binary tarball or GuixSD. 2.2 is not as easy as I thought it would be, to bring it to openSUSE Leap. There are packages who still require guile 2.0 (see comments in https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/568553). And the fact that only a handful of packages need guile, makes it not really worthwhile for distros to have two versions of guile present like we see it for python. It would be nice to have guix in Debian, Ubuntu, SUSE land and Red Hat land. I think that would enable far more people to use guix. At the moment it's not easy to install guix from source without having guix in place, at least on openSUSE. You need those guile modules (guile-git, guile-bytestructures) who comes with almost no build documentation. And then you have to fiddle together guile with the right versions... We struggle a lot with bootstrapping rust, go, java etc, so we should make sure that "bootstrapping" guix (install from source) is easy or at least doable. Best Regards Jonathan