From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hartmut Goebel Subject: Re: Packaging a free Firefox Date: Sun, 6 May 2018 11:48:28 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87y3h1g42q.fsf@lassieur.org> <87tvrlhi58.fsf@hyperbola.info> <878t8xo9t9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fFGHW-0002M4-7j for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 May 2018 05:48:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fFGHT-0003yT-5H for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 May 2018 05:48:38 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:41311) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fFGHS-0003xu-RU for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 May 2018 05:48:35 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40f1Cg1zrCz1qtNm for ; Sun, 6 May 2018 11:48:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40f1Cg0K1Lz1qqkR for ; Sun, 6 May 2018 11:48:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Py4iNvqmgrxd for ; Sun, 6 May 2018 11:48:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermia.goebel-consult.de (ppp-93-104-174-109.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.174.109]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 6 May 2018 11:48:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.110.2] (lenashee.goebel-consult.de [192.168.110.2]) by hermia.goebel-consult.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900B2602C4 for ; Sun, 6 May 2018 11:48:28 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <878t8xo9t9.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: guix-devel@gnu.org Am 06.05.2018 um 03:24 schrieb Mike Gerwitz: > On Sat, May 05, 2018 at 19:06:27 -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: >> I have noticed somepeople advocating for packaging Firefox in GNU Guix= , >> and since FF still has freedom issues, I see it as a no-go. > A simple option for now is to package FF by disabling those features an= d > _not_ providing an alternative. For example, IceCat loads a different > addon page than FF; we could just load no addon page at all, or a stati= c > one saying that it's something'll we'll get to eventually. Not packaging FF or crippling FF is a no-go! Doing so will discourage users from using GuixSD and Free Software. You will defeat your supporters, those who want to go the free-software-route. But you will not change the world, since your supporters have to carry the can, and the vendors, who are causing the problems, will be untouched. This is the same as not providing proprietary firmware in libre-linux. If you want to make the world a better place, you may decide to live vegan. And if you expect everybody to become vegan, you will reach less than if you try to convince people to start with eating less or no meat. Having strong opinions and working towards them is the one side. Convincing people is the other side. Followup-to: alt.religion.free-software, --=20 Regards Hartmut Goebel | Hartmut Goebel | h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com | | www.crazy-compilers.com | compilers which you thought are impossible |