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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: randomlooser@riseup.net Cc: guix-devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1622553249; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=n/cgdtpgPdmaaxTAI3Eg87zJdTQnL52U55vq98CjZfA=; b=ZJgYIqhPVJGzW+NJBcf83rrpUwrOpihFAsblIDIcacypoTPtujmwlnbmjz2UMZg25Gw6sz bY95BHMShGTydyhoPaGbAiWRxW3idBLhczVBAnk0xOBS15FOL/Sd2AurQjVjKgfupCCrWX GD0i5hxv4tWhQH31OpSClhrYgHf2fIoEER20ZO8OcUZCpAUNClxH6yiQ3CTqiBPPHpQsDn v/V9xS/2y3sXtDhZKWkfjT1yfpFCiQ43rShep0gC31wpTnE5WWskxlG+sd4ypP6Y92bohk MMWrFoQ7uMzaZ3RYR83XkSMYu8z635IPrxMpbaGkoDCXEyzUpeLAP/HWlMcIaA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1622553249; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=uAbCTz15eL6SRpqemCc0O1ZhTmN1HuMId7z4I3+Vu37OrVZ3/9i/TQspA5+hjSYKvFev0u gRTo9zqvm9PhEKJJ3bvB5diUV8GvRaciM8NcVSY3bU7GpQxIPc9UBg55atFplwg5KMDj/d LUii9QLFoYklfmmjrq797RzT0AVXqD4MzumUOvFD7xVz1HO/mt4eY4EoE6U/cTCIOVZ9gv RHs5NhE1PWUx4T7IDQFWf9J/AUgPbrMczh19zMQdUQxEpH/YxGNmhlq9/li4IXDjuWszbo 0lthGq1cpeoX6NNvtdJjBs4CG2Z3iBUXgO1rUY2OhJ+KNAhTB54srOSbnl1ENg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=HOXx2Ooe; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=HOXx2Ooe; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6751D18B0C X-Spam-Score: -1.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: fsXzkgkntYpM Il giorno mar, 01/06/2021 alle 08.24 +0200, Leo Prikler ha scritto: > > A sexp-pack would represent the most simple build instructions to > > build a package on its own. Now, of course the current guix- > > builders > > solve that too. But, what I am proposing is to split out the actual > > build step into a package definition, so as to present something > > simpler to Guix. > I don't think this would be simpler to Guix, you'd just create even > more packages, that actually aren't usable. The output could be a collection of .tar.gz files distributed through ipfs, bittorrent, syncthing or rsync Not necessarily packages in the way Guix intends them I understand there's already some work going on to reproduce tarballs in a format convenient to Guix (maybe with proper hashes and metadata ?) for when they get erased by distributors