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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1616004641; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=/LPzXf6Ri9gRpS2Dy7C9WSl4y1EdaIuB+btHSx95vz4=; b=LIIaSMnYTqoTRTleWmqOtzueW6Ipb2AXbjtBXRItLDz6wY13j2KBzwwM1e4Jud3JKAOaVr WsE2ekOBh+lBjJAqlExnxuRdQpBqT7QKfr1Tnf+XglPsesv6vf/CiiIk5PQXy417VaZIHd 6Duqa3jVSLQrhsKu88dc1/Mk9UXd+pfHzc4KOFczkf9/4qqVPuufHGmTC3WFbpuTX9GOIJ y7sZaBHtDra3GDSEOT2ZXfBi8Rz2WAa7GfE7diavhkBu3kksjjloUnMaJ18ag6SHdujW3O XoHI5xtBKna93qnKQJYE3XFl/UIKhkTPprlETtrrGPnzbXrstD6LzZxrxkfKdA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1616004641; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=G6kmAFE5dSJ8vj0gE56LAgEfyZR4prLXOPA0KaQcdPA7sSAevegmZVI6fmpskJLg0GdEuA j9aCh/HbHccXdjAVipuk3qSyl8WIKxqVgYYnQywcMLHrylQBwUk2Bbb/RAQ/7nnYNSSSUz KdgyQhwxIJrqj2wonQq30PAIJt+XnEDXfIvbAgUa9B/9/OyKsYquRJfrN3kHjhwJSJlRAD v61FAHAhp5wJgyKCLjRondgygzbKIlunQjZMpEisSY4ABqbfBb4nlWJMNCqaD0HIs2RsdP jA1hFsI3jSusxkAYMu1AGr+XRDG1nGrsJ/BueBGysZfs1FX2h/MNzmE2egHecA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b=LWZsDU5a; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.20 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b=LWZsDU5a; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B402D16629 X-Spam-Score: -5.20 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: wk7x7DxKd6eY --=-4LXZbfHJ1RcKnBuvLEHx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2021-03-17 at 18:35 +0100, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > Established distros have great tools and services for that. >=20 > Guix has =E2=80=98guix refresh=E2=80=99, which predates some of the trend= y > release/CVE > monitoring services and actually works well. It=E2=80=99s not perfect, b= ut > it=E2=80=99s > good, so my advice would be to work on improving it. >=20 > If you look at Guix=E2=80=99s design and history, you=E2=80=99ll find tha= t much is > built > in a way that avoids relying on external services when we can. Just to clarify, I also get behind that very much I was suggesting the functional part more so than the service kind, even though I think services (like Guix Data Service) are OK as long as datasets are easily exportable and the service itself can easily be re-deployed through GNU Guix as well. It seems GNU Guix takes a generic approach to updates while Debian or Fedora seems to look at specialized rules for each package, I was thinking we could import those already existing rules (in Fedora's or Debian's) into GNU Guix, I find it a superior approach for reliability of notifications even though generic updaters are also very complementary. --=-4LXZbfHJ1RcKnBuvLEHx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEFIvLi9gL+xax3g6RRaix6GvNEKYFAmBSQMgACgkQRaix6GvN EKYT+hAAtLM/ulxrvpK1M+ZUeW1Anijs046I8B5HrsTxHdnEAgirmo+4rcKLtrT0 jEecUy/kCFuKOxo7Cnqs+bCnThOH7qs1UDmabAm6+EzMSr0QpYDn0wtxiHsPJV0p EXOK70kPQlLaMGLRP3to7odcd/LjANCZ/X9GPZpXjAvnazLkGkLvOk7ZOCbpnkQz LsnFZsyfDQgfzS0GbnIA35P9tPWA5XmHCz3zwU0zOB8Q22+D5YllDrCxLgirgrqz KlNsU1pPrC8AA/NmsvqL1DMnc8p5Ve4htdxNHvQJq2NG1Oy7e0J2F0BE/rUifaMe qIKBDpzbC3log1weJbFHsaVeg7KzzAkzvn2B0BQClSc1PVhFvcB5vx/XdvSt6NrM frMhOZifdUaZM9EIaVuJWEpWzqn0nUm9SFlWR6Kesm05RY7NH6P+40U3N4XAxngk IXtK14YvLRX4iSoexi5M8JMuA/1SZaPzUTUFz+XA0TK/kHwC+wQA2vzhElL8lww6 D2WfLU8IGcQYVbJ9X5l9rwSJeqHkLASa+/YNmQiC+nEDVhBSqwZSoh3QyNUAmJE+ yVSDZ3oLDulz/zAfkSSChzEQQ4UQMNL0RsLd1f0qttbUj5HdPpNU/6tT5RHoPRDW qNskJP5jKiX9FH9lsXoegLJLAVPFEbHI1WBum+yF7tkSPIXC3iE= =3zBr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-4LXZbfHJ1RcKnBuvLEHx--