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From >> what I understand from your message, users' configs will stop working = in >> a few months when 1.0.x releases (or with the macro would "kinda work"= ), >> which is at least a short-term con, so what's the long-term benefit of >> this change? Is GOOPS so bad a thing to require? >=20 >=20If I understand correctly, that will allow Shepherd to run on GNU Mes= , > a Scheme interpreter written for Guix bootstraping. So by removing the Shepherd's dependency on GNU Mes, the Guix project benefits by simplying its bootstrapping process?