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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Ryan Prior Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1623628506; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=rdmw6UqkkAHVTPeenGd5GrbIjVervRbSeBiFQHdLLbo=; b=TaXS3NB3MGIOwMM8FZBnF3KXjPBCm2uSmyYTmgTS0rwbRzG7O91cHVhgyWaEHqKMA2GRk+ x+qY+8siozCZjVnS9Cc4YEIdFfIzuvequeg/8s3BfHLxNcizF1Ki6SatIf3KHsFiMGcUCK K4EpGii1GEUs2OGCN+zCH1dPQnacJOPTStrfrgiSE8P6LSnKPHbAAcrGzoSxOCUTSdOW2b HKiDn4Agb/RNMElcbpmefZLHQ+BrvwOUQH0VPOC1dEi5ir2Zmh/nv9eF9v3CrEFCWDN0q1 +j6B2FHSW2sjCY+nQtP6mTwwQG+OixvTihaJ+lxbG1q+oqMsbqJ9xQ0XZsekGA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1623628506; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=d+NAVcVx3rKYb3CWcApLwJAZMFZ6SmY00kfiAmYPgAQFBsDF6gb4RXDSRY2fXEEm2HDHFd SiZrv4dfhgr5rAVXpVUIbwhy2lKCTUjkaJICzX9TwF6giqBx2pr0FcYbj97/ib45XZ3AmX 7Mv7XgiSxLJGuKDpxhbmBNqZzr1/RuApO3AzxBaaHozj2WUpTUolv6nHEMfOvflGRdlDW+ NMKuTvlRVcQRL9J1CUfTndFzNkgjgcf4zI0mocqPpCuYrd5iSk87fsYFmjDPxTMDrGlOVc D4PnfTjTf0dpV+0I5wMC6aLrlcaqKiq/MRFzTcFNC7dXpAn9C1GVdV/5QGb4cg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.com header.s=protonmail header.b=hZmbABLN; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=protonmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.com header.s=protonmail header.b=hZmbABLN; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=protonmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8B56410F79 X-Spam-Score: -3.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: OfhldRoFCAWa On Sunday, June 13th, 2021 at 7:04 PM, Leo Famulari wro= te: > Yeah, I agree that telemetry is a problem in addition to being valuable > > for developers. I've been encouraged by the recent progress in differential privacy that op= t-out freedom respecting telemetry may be possible. I think this needs to b= e discussed and coordinated on a platform level and offered as a standard f= eature for packages on the platform, rather than something app developers h= ave to implement on their own in each instance. An easy API to discover whether you have any packages that could be upgrade= d would be very handy as well. Currently I find this information by running= `guix time-machine --branch=3Dmaster -- package -u --dry-run --no-grafts` = but this is imperfect, takes a long time to run, and doesn't inform me whet= her there's upstream package updates that aren't packaged in Guix yet but t= hat I could use with a package transform.