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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 23:25:58 +0200 In-reply-to: <87cyyodgy5.fsf@xelera.eu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=198.252.153.6; envelope-from=raingloom@riseup.net; helo=mx0.riseup.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.96 X-Spam-Score: -5.96 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8135455255 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-TUID: R79e7DOkuen1 Giovanni Biscuolo writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > Hi Liliana, > > Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > > [...] > >> For example, whenever people say that "forges would improve stuff", my >> reply is (modulo phrasing) "yes, for the people who are already used to >> forges". > > I just want to point out that actually Guix _do_have_ a forge. the > software is Savane and it's hosted on savannah.gnu.org: > https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/guix > > This is just to remind everyone that there are very different forges out > there, and: > > All forges suck, _no one_ sucks less To quote the elementary HIG: "Design is not just, like, your opinion, man" https://docs.elementary.io/hig/design-philosophy#design-is-not-just-like-your-opinion-man Just because two alternatives are both imperfect does not mean they are equally bad. Statistically speaking, 10 forges having the same "suckiness" score has an infinitesimal chance. A more meaningful argument would be that the alternatives have different goals, but even that's shaky, since most of their goals are shared. If it takes me 30 minutes to find a commit in a repo on one forge and 5 minutes on another, then one forge is *objectively* worse in *that aspect*. I don't think repeating that no forge sucks less advances the conversation towards any solution other than keeping the status quo, which can't really be called a solution.