From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: quiliro@riseup.net Subject: Re: Reminder to remain civil Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:26:50 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20191009065352.GU8197@protected.rcdrun.com> <1c9dc59c-0594-6921-73e8-b173e558b5c3@vapaa.xyz> <20191010023714.GK20430@protected.rcdrun.com> <20191010164403.rueixfpsv3duntwz@uptimegirl> <87h84gi6ja.fsf@elephly.net> <87zhi61tq7.fsf@zete.tk> <87wodagy9q.fsf@elephly.net> <3cd972f08625dde233dcfe4c7e9791f8@riseup.net> <87wod8l89n.fsf@elephly.net> <485896379123a5160bb1b4115465ca1d@riseup.net> <87v9srlqok.fsf@elephly.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57494) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iK53W-0003Sm-4y for help-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:26:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iK53U-0008ST-Oh for help-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:26:53 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:59450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iK53U-0008S7-Cn for help-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:26:52 -0400 Received: from piha.riseup.net (piha-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46sRpy3lHnzDqKr for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by piha.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46sRpx6NV0zFplR for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:26:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87v9srlqok.fsf@elephly.net> List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+gcggh-help-guix=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" To: help-guix On Mon, October 14, 2019 2:41 am, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > > Quiliro Ord=C3=B3=C3=B1ez writes: > >> El 2019-10-13 15:07, Ricardo Wurmus escribi=C3=B3: >>> Quiliro Ord=C3=B3=C3=B1ez writes: >>> >>>> So we are officially on a censored list [=E2=80=A6] >>> >>> This is not the place to argue about this. help-guix is not for you = to >>> elaborate on what you consider censorship, it is a list for people to >>> get help with Guix. >>> >>> Please respect this. >> >> Is this a threat to censor me too? please be frank. > > No, but I have put messages from you under moderation. This means that > they will not automatically be published to all subscribers of this lis= t > when they are not on topic. This is a paradox. "No censorship" is contrary to "no automatic publication". It is either free to reach the mailing list without control (except by automatic machine spamming) or censored by the censors (whatever they want to call themselves: protectors of the common good, authorities, kings, presidents, prime ministers, bureaucrats, moderators, teachers or parents). Avoiding to call it as it is, does not make it better or worse. Censorship is just a [common] practice of a minority (which sometimes controls the majority) against another minority. > It is incredibly disrespectful to the dozens of people who are > subscribed to this list for the purpose of helping others with Guix. > Your abuse of this list and refusal to take whatever off-topic > discussion you may want to pursue to a more appropriate place leaves me > no choice but to enforce the rules that apply to posting here. Ricardo, I disagree with you. I think that the utmost disrespect for anyone isn't failing to follow imposed rules, but to control others' free speech (among other rights). Everyone is free to ignore or argue against someone else in an environment provided with free speech. But censorship (either by rules or by personal judgement) eliminates this basic human right. I hope you can notice this as I have. I used to think imposition changed things for the better. But it does not on the long run. I hope yo= u let others have their own opinion on this topic also. Even if every perso= n except one on this list disagrees with me, that is a good reason to avoid censorship. Even if no person agreed with me, it would be good that the other people see the list archive to know about the position some Guix people have about this subject. Remember Voltaire about his defense of others' rights. With such respect and greatest regards, Quiliro