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spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.32 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=libre.brussels header.s=mail header.b=jBkkzSxX; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=libre.brussels (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C2D5C22E54 X-Spam-Score: -1.32 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: zN18YdbyunPk Out of curiosity, how regulated is ham radio in the USA? I lament that yo= ur cultural emphasis on freedom of expression didnt extend into freedoms = for 'classic' radio channels. Is it better for ham radio? >From Europe it appears as if ICT infrastructure in the USA looks godawful= (like AT&T), has there been much pushback with grounds up mesh networks? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jonathan McHugh indieterminacy@libre.brussels July 24, 2021 6:56 PM, "Joshua Branson" wrote: > Bone Baboon writes: >=20 >>=20jbranso--- via writes: >>=20 >>>=20I'm getting really tired of carrying my Android phone around with g= oogle's spyware, >>=20 >>=20This issue is larger than just Android / iOS and the applications a = user >> deliberately uses. There is also the issue of unwanted spyware. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20You could eliminating the issues mobile phones have entirely by choo= sing >> to not use a mobile phone. >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20I used to do that! I was nophone for a while, but then I became a > manager at work. If someone does not show up for work, then they call > me. I could give up my manager position or find a job that doesn't > require a way to reach me 24/7. >=20 >=20OR I could get a ham radio license...operate a radio tower somewhere > (for real cheap...though that might not be so cheap)...then if work > needs me, they can chat to me via that way...and my libre phone could > pick up the signal...though that might mean I'd have to learn some GNU > Radio, which would be fun! This strategy is what JMP.chat wants to do > eventually. >=20 >>>=20(apologies for the youtube link...) >>=20 >>=20You could share Invidious links as well as YouTube links. The YouTub= e >> links could be a backup in case the Invidious server linked to goes >> down. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20and unfortunately it needs to support SMS and traditional calls, so= there might be some binary >>> blobs for the modem. >>=20 >>=20You can do SMS using email. >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20Now that is awesome! I will look into that. >=20 >>=20Maybe you could convince the people you want to talk to use free >> software like Jami. For people who are physically nearby walkie talkie= s >> are an option. >=20 >=20I'm actually really excited about Jami! It looks really promising! >=20 >=20Jami only works using wifi, as far as I know. Sometimes I would like = to > go to the park, which has no wifi. Since work has to be able to reach > me 24/7 this won't quite work...again, I could give up my manager > position or get a different job. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20Cheap ones only work 1-1.5 miles. Sometimes I'm 30 miles away from > work. But this is something to consider. There are some expensive > walkie talkies that the military uses that work anywhere in the world. >=20 >=20-- > Joshua Branson (jab in #guix) > Sent from Emacs and Gnus > https://gnucode.me > https://video.hardlimit.com/accounts/joshua_branson/video-channels > https://propernaming.org > "You can have whatever you want, as long as you help > enough other people get what they want." - Zig Ziglar