From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55014) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2x1e-0007Pj-5p for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:17:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2x1a-0003ok-7M for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:17:06 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:56476) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2x1a-0003of-3a for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:17:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2x1Z-0001Da-Uh for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:17:01 -0400 Subject: [bug#28794] [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. Resent-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_59da800dae8184de7d1d33e05e1f0f0b" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:16:09 +0000 From: Rutger Helling In-Reply-To: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+kyle=kyleam.com@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-patches" To: ludo@gnu.org, 28794@debbugs.gnu.org --=_59da800dae8184de7d1d33e05e1f0f0b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey Ludo, I think it makes sense to add it, but have it be the responsibility of the user to provide the assets, since these files can never be bundled in Guix. Maybe it should explicitly mention that. Note that Guix already has a similar situation with an accepted package, OpenMW. OpenMW also does nothing without the original game's assets. Since that got accepted I figured it made sense to add this package. OpenMW seems to have been accepted in Debian too: https://packages.debian.org/sid/openmw. For reference, here's the list of required assets for OpenRCT2: https://github.com/OpenRCT2/OpenRCT2/wiki/Required-RCT2-files. Personally I think it makes sense to provide libre engine replacements for games, to motivate users to use those instead of running proprietary code. The FSF directory even explicitly mentions OpenMW for example: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/OpenMW. On 2017-10-13 08:50, ludo@gnu.org wrote: > Hi Rutger, > > Rutger Helling skribis: > >> From 12255f73d23a078fc2da099f22564e20cf3c69cc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 >> From: Rutger Helling >> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:22:27 +0200 >> Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. >> >> * gnu/packages/games.scm (openrct2): New variable. > > The patch LGTM. However, when starting the program, it says that it > needs files (supposedly artwork) from the original RollerCoaster > Tycoon 2 and exits immediately. > > That makes the package useless in the absence of these presumably > non-free files. > > Looking at > , > I think we cannot really consider these files to be non-functional data > because the software doesn't do anything if they are missing. So I > wonder whether it makes sense to include it in Guix as-is. > > WDYT? Do you know what Debian or other free distros do? > > Thank you, > Ludo'. --=_59da800dae8184de7d1d33e05e1f0f0b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Hey Ludo,

I think it makes sense to add it, but have it be th= e responsibility of the user to provide the assets, since these files can n= ever be bundled in Guix. Maybe it should explicitly mention that.

Note that Guix already has a similar situation with an accepted package, = OpenMW. OpenMW also does nothing without the original game's assets. Since = that got accepted I figured it made sense to add this package.

OpenMW seems to have been accepted in Debian too: https://packages.debian.org/sid/openmw.

For reference, here's the list of required assets for OpenRCT2: https://= github.com/OpenRCT2/OpenRCT2/wiki/Required-RCT2-files.

Personally I think it makes sense to provide libre engine replacements f= or games, to motivate users to use those instead of running proprietary cod= e. The FSF directory even explicitly mentions OpenMW for example: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/O= penMW.

On 2017-10-13 08:50, ludo@gnu.org wrote:

= Hi Rutger,

Rutger Helling <rhelling@mykolab.com> skribis:

From 12255f73d23a078fc2da099f22564e20cf3c69cc Mon Sep = 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Rutger Helling <rhelling@mykolab.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:2= 2:27 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2.

* = gnu/packages/games.scm (openrct2): New variable.

The patch LGTM.  However, when starting the program, it says th= at it
needs files (supposedly artwork) from the original RollerCoaste= r
Tycoon 2 and exits immediately.

That makes the pa= ckage useless in the absence of these presumably
non-free files.

Looking at
<https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribu= tion-guidelines.html#non-functional-data>,
I think we cannot r= eally consider these files to be non-functional data
because the soft= ware doesn't do anything if they are missing.  So I
wonder wheth= er it makes sense to include it in Guix as-is.

WDYT?  Do = you know what Debian or other free distros do?

Thank you,
Ludo'.


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