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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1708547765; bh=FueMzf3bSuRcUwaI4P80fkdQXL52iE2buYum8bYxtn8=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=VLBLuXEfdFpf+eLsVh4AK/IqIsr9W66dXXcC06PKO8vUO3k14sSIpx5+QT/cKXAce ffP+32VszJvto0gfgpIpg6qOs7uXD8lIkekB2s7OKXHVtZ0v5gfnn6WlcL5XQE9Teq eVlLdE2Xx/lEatv+gBMeRZfOy97IFp1gz+a02Oo6WJWpqmR7BfscGNPysovx/bOVwy NeYlIjnMYlmHqMgISYjhSR/UaEQKKepIikeJzPopdB4VrDX/QZKtzIGX/dbuPJYr4S UUd84zcH3SjBVZNZXqQ230CvZMeysUlEW6WUZ7d9D5V7WEBlJ5R6xT9SLjSP+UxuPv NNzlyDT7GReQw== Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:36:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Build and upgrade times for heavier packages on old hardware Content-Language: en-US To: Oleander <7059548@protonmail.com>, help-guix@gnu.org References: From: kiasoc5 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=kiasoc5@disroot.org; helo=layka.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.50 X-Spam-Score: -9.50 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C7618650A6 X-TUID: Q7TTpvID69xv Hi Oleander, On 2/21/24 9:00 AM, Oleander via wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm considering disabling substitutes on my current Guix system running on an old Thinkpad with an i5-2520M, 10GB of ram and an SSD. Build times will probably take a while if all substitutes are disabled because you (might?) have to bootstrap the compilers. > Considered that many of you might be running Guix on something similar due to the compatibility between coreboot/libreboot and old Thinkpads, how long would it take approximately to build and upgrade packages like: I don't have a Thinkpad but I'll predict the packages with the longest compile times. > linux-libre If you customize your kernel for unnecessary modules, this speed up quite a bit (on my machine I can theoretically cut the time by half). > icecat This will probably take the longest. 1. Depends on bootstrapping rust first. With 10GB of RAM I'd suggest using swap. 2. Is a "modern" browser. At least it should compile faster than chromium, once all the Rusts are built. > pandoc I'm not sure about this exactly, but it does depends on Haskell bootstrap. Hopefully it's faster than Rust. > alacritty Like icecat, requires Rust. The actual app should be relatively faster to compile. Personally to estimate compile times, I build binutils to get the Standard Build Unit and reference BLFS for relative build times: https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/