From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jack Hill Subject: Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: References: <87k1m852yc.fsf@gnu.org> <20181024010640.GA14776@antares.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gF9Rp-0000Sd-17 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:03:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gF9Rl-0002lc-N0 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:03:04 -0400 Received: from mccarthy.hcoop.net ([69.90.123.73]:54706) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gF9Rl-0002if-Df for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:03:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20181024010640.GA14776@antares.lan> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Alex Griffin Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Alex, On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Alex Griffin wrote: > FWIW once I noticed that Guix had adopted the Contributor Covenant, it > factored strongly into my decision to stop contributing to the project > last year. Interesting. I too am eager understand your thinking on this. When thinking about this issue today, I remembered some of Sage Sharp's writings [0][1]. What struck me about those writings is that it is not just about the language in our policies, but about how we use the policies when conducting ourselves as a community. In particular, it is about more than just how we communicate. It is about who is included and empowered in the community, and how we handle problems that arise. Getting all of this right is hard work, and I am happy to take all the advice I can get from people who have done more thinking and had more real world experience in this area, whether that be the Contributor Covenant, the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines, or other writings about community building (even those not specific to software). When embarking on the hard work or community building (like the hard work of promoting software freedom), I find it helpful to see where we are heading. In Guix the Free Software Distribution Guidelines did this for the software freedom issues, and, while perhaps imperfect, the CoC did this for the community building issues. Regardless of how we sort out the details of implementation, I hope that we set, document, and communicate a high goal for our community building work. Best, Jack P.S. Apologies if guix-devel is not the right place to be having this conversation. I like Guix a lot and am interested in it being a just community. [0] http://sage.thesharps.us/2016/01/25/code-of-conducts-warning-signs/ [1] http://sage.thesharps.us/2015/10/06/what-makes-a-good-community/