From: Adam Faiz <adam.faiz@disroot.org>
To: ludo@gnu.org
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Shepherd news + planned feature removal
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2023 00:35:20 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <afa2cf42-13c8-25d6-206a-b3a741a1d68d@disroot.org> (raw)
> Hello Guix!
>
> I recently pushed an updated and rebased variant of
> ‘wip-service-monitor’ in the Shepherd, previously discussed here:
>
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2022-06/msg00350.html
>
> I’m going to merge it real soon if there are no objections, with the
> goal of using it as the basis for 0.10.x and hopefully soonish 1.0.x.
>
> The main news are:
>
> • Services can now be in one of 4 states: stopped, starting, started,
> and stopping. (Previously it was just started/stopped.)
>
> • ‘herd status SERVICE’ reports those new states.
>
> • ‘start’ waits if the service was already starting; ‘stop’ waits if
> the service was already being stopped.
>
> • Services are now started in parallel, to the extent possible.
>
> Internally, the big change is that, in addition to a “service registry”
> actor (a fiber and associated channel where it receives requests), each
> service has an associated actor (likewise, a fiber) that handles
> service-specific operations such as ‘start’ and ‘stop’. I find it
> aesthetically pleasing and fun to work with; incidentally, it should
> sound familiar to the goblins among us. :-)
>
> There’s a couple of shepherd features that I’d like to remove:
> “persistency” (sic), and the “unknown” service. These things were added
> in the early days of dmd ca. 2003 but they’re totally untested, likely
> broken, and probably useless. If you have objections, now’s the time to
> let it be known.
I'm ok with current service state persistency being removed, since users can
always modify a copy of the shepherd configuration file and tell the shepherd to
load that instead, which achieves the same thing.
The 'unknown service fallback seems like a really cool feature, but if there
isn't really any use for it, then I guess it should be removed. It can always be
added back in if someone has a usecase for it.
I just have 1 question: Why is there a need for `herd status` to display whether
a service is in a starting or stopping state?
From the perspective of the shepherd, a service that is starting isn't running
yet, and a service that is stopping isn't stopped yet.
The "starting" and "stopping" states are just an implementation detail to handle
the shepherd being asynchronous. It's the running and stopped states that a user
wants to know about a service.
>
> Feedback welcome!
>
> Ludo’.
>
next reply other threads:[~2023-02-24 0:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-02-24 0:35 Adam Faiz [this message]
2023-02-24 5:14 ` Shepherd news + planned feature removal Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-02-25 18:09 ` Ludovic Courtès
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2023-02-21 22:05 Ludovic Courtès
2023-02-22 15:28 ` Thompson, David
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