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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656344889; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=bPlgqe324rlAVGAvxGsYN+EM5p6ThpxoXH4lUllb1nU=; b=OoKbDQyJBXcTlQEDGAu+n9tRcSuLeNcHKxTaH63V3GF2jwHi7a0Q4SuafaIBqVoFTfOKHk lFZLM3v4WMrxNxzdrX6Ut6jh78qDGdurZ9b6A2S43oMZz4vUM7sNwxlheWmopj7LQahhon Ei8D3ZAmKYlW5tIwEWgCOOhqweBiU5qZi8UeEmzEQnBmGo/G5Jh1aZ4dfThqdidDJ6gilL +rA59MUIa2fwo2qvBcRf5BPa1blfLCHVwAx1X8IP3Sw8gfldy4SHzmhNVAQbStGZ32ZIiP KWyGxCPnd/PMnf4DPpa6KmN4QIkfpKZ64cb0RWN3dRIbTCTJSIDk/sbdYftm9w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656344889; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=aM6O4EWghyBeIRWLyHT7Hs1/V3u4ruNYcbpoz5uJgXRFAAIvroK630ScHwIYbJhzeG5cIF CyMUPQ4CMWQupB++7UDSMp8P8yY8HAX2JlfMhIDZXh6bXukOAKVHSQaZe1x51yvJ8UEd2l 4aGTdilFMErciRo4zpWBrTsDNl0CJ2LgClHrz6gR2VOdy7VAdd7AYC5JVEJuqVb3MuwEhr 45e39u81aebgrwoxt3wbd+BN3qn0RI9QYP8BmzypSFViXnR9u1MN60Ymil3i61QMucP1MI NHdn8t+RGPYJ1xun4Y5b1euhPpyKZ4sRIgTHkDOTsjwXN3hj0zU+pgZr6vtihA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=eX442jhR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.65 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=eX442jhR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1054412F83 X-Spam-Score: -4.65 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: FVStgyg0OmZJ --=-WKhgz1IIovGUcxqAhT2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable zimoun schreef op ma 27-06-2022 om 17:23 [+0200]: > You are mixing unrelated topics, IMHO. >=20 > We have policies, not standard. >=20 > =C2=ABA policy is a set of ideas or plans that is used as a basis for mak= ing > decisions, especially in politics, economics, or business.=C2=BB=20 >=20 > =C2=ABA standard is a level of quality or achievement, especially a level > that is thought to be acceptable.=C2=BB I think it's a reasonable policy to have standards, and that it's a bad policy to not have standards. Seems related to me. Also, we do have some standards -- e.g., bundling, malware, non-freeness and security problems is not considered quality. > > Agreed -- I did not ask that explicitely in #55541, but the implied > > question was to report it upstream (or fix local, that could be > done > > too). But my point is that this should have been done _before_ > merging > > the patch. >=20 > So, what are you explicitly asking? :-) Nothing, it was implicit. > Other said, it cannot be asked to submitter to fix unrelated-to-Guix > issue on upstream code. Although cross-compilation issue is somehow > related to Guix. ;-) I never asked this. All I asked for is to report the issue upstream, such that upstream can fix it. (Though fixing it would be nice bonus.) 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