From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Alexander Vdolainen Subject: Re: (Really) Free Software future Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:22:18 +0300 Message-ID: References: <20191009065352.GU8197@protected.rcdrun.com> <1c9dc59c-0594-6921-73e8-b173e558b5c3@vapaa.xyz> <20191010023714.GK20430@protected.rcdrun.com> <6343757.2cZvDvYTfs@pc-713> <20191010061705.GH27628@protected.rcdrun.com> <20191010070606.GW27628@protected.rcdrun.com> <8561e1505c3d90c4deb8bdbfb1a20dced6e96066.camel@gnu.org> <3fe3d102-194d-8872-61ef-45337357ca4a@vapaa.xyz> <29abce622e3be3ca224d7010993182ef8203943c.camel@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dPspk9yDpWzlrLxNFwrQCZXX2OrPZr6yl" Return-path: In-Reply-To: <29abce622e3be3ca224d7010993182ef8203943c.camel@gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: gnu-system-discuss-bounces+gcgs-gnu-system-discuss=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "gnu-system-discuss" To: psmith@gnu.org, svante.signell@gmail.com, Richard Stallman Cc: Guix-devel , gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org List-Id: guix-devel.gnu.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --dPspk9yDpWzlrLxNFwrQCZXX2OrPZr6yl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nenPB0id6mHnUHOrL74ORpkLhPuxnREkC" --nenPB0id6mHnUHOrL74ORpkLhPuxnREkC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/14/19 10:11 PM, Paul Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote: >>> For example, no aspect of either GNOME or systemd are proprietary, >>> using the common meaning of the term. Also, "lock-in" usually refers= >>> to software that prevents users from switching to an alternative; GNO= ME >>> and systemd are certainly not lock-in. >> >> I'm afraid but I cannot agree with that. Actually with systemd design >> you have 'lock-in', because in some cases you need to modify a source >> code to support systemd (or you will face something like this - >> https://superuser.com/questions/1372963/how-do-i-keep-systemd-from-kil= ling-my-tmux-sessions). >=20 > It's not lock-in because you don't have to use systemd. You can take a= > system that currently uses systemd and you can remove it and replace it= > with something else. It may be more or less effort, depending, but you= > _can_ do it, without violating licenses or losing access to any of your= > personal data. Also I _can_ write a new kernel using existing code base... >=20 > If you consider systemd "lock-in" then you *must* consider something > like GNU libc "lock-in"; it's far more difficult to replace your libc > than it is to switch away from systemd! uclibc, musl ... but GNU libc doesn't require software to make some modifications - that's the point. >=20 >> Finally, correct me if I wrong, but GNOME 3.8 and newer requires >> systemd to run, it's a lock-in isn't it ? >=20 > No, because you don't need to run GNOME. You can't consider software > "lock-in" just because it requires some other software, as long as you > don't have to use either one. And you can't consider some software > non-free just because it requires other free software: a large majority= > of free programs out there rely on some other free libraries for > example. yep >=20 > Anyway, as I said this thread should be moved to gnu-misc-discuss. ok, let's move it on. >=20 --=20 Alexander Vdolainen, Evil contractor. --nenPB0id6mHnUHOrL74ORpkLhPuxnREkC-- --dPspk9yDpWzlrLxNFwrQCZXX2OrPZr6yl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEEvyKKe3ldp4SYtvzERPbcZkg0M1UFAl2kyuoACgkQRPbcZkg0 M1WfxAv+IqG0hDhZp4Hri7FAWAYWq784cgX1JZsThFFEzhymMgLEQHKE7b/qn1Zq cyObQAHpTae8dusEA/v2xzAQdBZHd6XYibO06B/f7ei7JU3A4bae1DW4V4JsSbto hT3Ndzbw0NbEU6Zwt0coagxe3F+XlsCoyje7UZXCI4AVw//mZTWAzthdNbwmaIYo JTlP9muzPHJiT1cy36go6QOCj1AbfwrPUlk/lVlpxQ2iBKqt1oImYihs2lszkccY 8TR2HE2yV1Rsx0fBmftwtqi3TDWng0NRuk9v/L4B9aiQAJeQLN4ILpG4LFWq0o1O 1L5uzmLQxapNn8RwLTKx5Bg1lRO1uDPzi+Hea6HLHn8Nr2itAhizZf8i8M4VxuRX F+d4eDTVtlmIdzqUqGKMWaKTPCK1Yu1Ls0GKLoq5eZ+6+JR8AV7SrDDZim+u6/Oz g6R8ch2Z/TrWlXjlBH4jEkKBhCKhpgkLrvZ3QEw3lvH2BXoBMpt6vIrv7v0JIjhi zaOqLAZ2 =z/v2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dPspk9yDpWzlrLxNFwrQCZXX2OrPZr6yl--