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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1673761921; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=SBoHker+k+5tHDCOZ+dWZppQ2mik87LFyTgOR5X7INnhfZxctEcgAkNVSKa54uWsL1AJMw y2UhOLsISeXrKlkVIY+UolNXxOV9cedugnfckSe5iGT6fVyK2v7xoURVuLHJe4SR/PIaqu ZKOyNaDJj45lEVg7PWkqh1031A2o8x5sRnE4+yldix+Ej2l5ZJelr03FefToa3E/Bj9K2e RQuZHziOb/YPlwoMpu9uYrNckz9SEjoEc0tlzxVCVsX+BxvuKhZFClPC3MyyPkSwXfv9r8 435P9k+tlhl3uDMnW+4d73srsZdT/X03fNni5Ujbx1i4veIjywg3WgYP5NWXZg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=lbEcVoI9; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=disroot.org ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1673761921; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=UXgIrOfBYu3rbl5UvaSJcZRUe5eatSE143TZXITYXv8=; b=X/TI1gT5Wmgpk4Ub/PsxVQdjoDp9lRkMkL5mJMN/5ykX8jy6+MR/K0ATnCj31q4daQqmHp vmvIzE8yv2YimFUFNbgK93PdFu5Ij2jrg8ayzSj45ElwP6zzLmKeOJaEowjqHCsQBD/lst 2yEs97NhEKpfqlU848qV4e0ZMKlbFtY90cTgxpqphdJamhT6A5OZujaznFDS9rklfdhtvF 4qm04BXinV7kBMLqAZMignikufQb4B2XMt7hz1yLWhwRA+LbwERh5cU6zAgaowC2rACh/v w4TIKCoHS/ANNC3bluCifo59u/BeIuqB0x2gbzw5lSi3E+ay7SlAMlkPWUmFPg== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.77 X-Spam-Score: -4.77 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 99FB77AB6 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=lbEcVoI9; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=disroot.org X-TUID: TKzM2X8cN7Qq On 1/14/23 17:07, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Hello! > > Over the course of a few years, the size of our packages has apparently > kept growing. Example: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > $ guix time-machine --commit=v1.2.0 -- size emacs > store item total self > /gnu/store/118xpdazyylxa1rlc68h9lmh38vhxrb4-llvm-10.0.0 210.8 139.3 16.2% > /gnu/store/1qmd9achfkm1njzxf8hi86q53pmy9sxk-mesa-20.0.7 369.2 131.3 15.3% > /gnu/store/d83hc7cqgnhl1vlz1rv4ibkvaqaq2g35-emacs-27.1 859.7 106.2 12.4% > /gnu/store/18hp7flyb3yid3yp49i6qcdq0sbi5l1n-guile-3.0.2 132.8 53.2 6.2% > /gnu/store/9lckq1194qcy4a7kv8bihagd58shj7yr-gtk+-3.24.20 723.7 49.0 5.7% > /gnu/store/qizplwwgqwyq6qmz1i6jlaib5kgzrgwq-icu4c-66.1 110.2 38.1 4.4% > /gnu/store/fa6wj5bxkj5ll1d7292a70knmyl7a0cr-glibc-2.31 38.4 36.7 4.3% > […] > total: 859.7 MiB > $ guix time-machine --commit=v1.3.0 -- size emacs > store item total self > /gnu/store/g3idjpqsp2p2d163qfzskxj4k58nrx7f-llvm-11.0.0 220.0 148.6 16.9% > /gnu/store/jf269s6clr6r57p8v5c3c1qkyra6apq2-mesa-20.2.4 389.1 141.6 16.1% > /gnu/store/7nlq2v4000pw8vgj3m4vrwz072ib58xh-emacs-27.2 880.5 106.4 12.1% > /gnu/store/18hp7flyb3yid3yp49i6qcdq0sbi5l1n-guile-3.0.2 132.8 53.2 6.0% > /gnu/store/czf23hay13pp25yzrb4yq3n4gcri5r70-gtk+-3.24.24 744.3 49.1 5.6% > /gnu/store/2wqjj3mkqdvsvksndr2hpjpi7qqwi7kr-icu4c-66.1 110.2 38.1 4.3% > /gnu/store/fa6wj5bxkj5ll1d7292a70knmyl7a0cr-glibc-2.31 38.4 36.7 4.2% > […] > total: 880.5 MiB > $ guix time-machine --commit=v1.4.0 -- size emacs > store item total self > /gnu/store/i11jmrc90drpx9mc6cyb6s4pjny91qx6-emacs-28.2 1592.7 250.6 15.7% > /gnu/store/sdzfljm6san79pqiy42yp0nzmkr2bafc-mesa-21.3.8 411.6 169.6 10.6% > /gnu/store/6pdzpmxg5afzss6dlivq8z84sfa31x22-llvm-11.0.0 221.5 149.5 9.4% > /gnu/store/lphzb1z0r4kbb453rsvnw7msrxxzp5r7-libgccjit-10.3.0 244.8 128.5 8.1% > /gnu/store/pfas3c4lhr1jwkj2gl0yx8dg4xjjlp4r-mozjs-91.13.0 261.2 65.4 4.1% > /gnu/store/hy6abswwv4d89zp464fw52z65fkzr7h5-perl-5.34.0 147.7 58.6 3.7% > /gnu/store/zyqimpkmpffc24nwwqp46cicj8ss85y5-binutils-2.37 126.0 54.4 3.4% > /gnu/store/cnfsv9ywaacyafkqdqsv2ry8f01yr7a9-guile-3.0.7 129.1 52.0 3.3% > /gnu/store/4aq7hw017s9ihpm1rxpwfz28c80569z9-gtk+-3.24.30 1002.2 48.6 3.1% > /gnu/store/vaxkf8cbc7slgc3ikm5qr3815wih93w8-ghostscript-with-cups-9.54.0 219.1 39.1 2.5% > /gnu/store/bjycxjjkp1da53ijsa4hfdrz9mcgg55h-icu4c-69.1 110.7 38.0 2.4% > /gnu/store/ayc9r7162rphy4zjw8ch01pmyh214h82-glibc-2.33 76.6 36.6 2.3% > […] > total: 1592.7 MiB > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > I think something went wrong here. :-) Maybe it is Emacs itself growing over time. > In particular with Emacs itself (due to JIT + dependency on libgccjit, > Binutils, etc.?) and with GTK+ (due to mozjs in polkit?). If we look at emacs-next-pgtk, not only does it have JIT and PGTK, it also has xwidgets enabled, so it pulls in webkitgtk! Very big. > And then MESA and LLVM have always been problematically big. > > We should do better. I mean, it’s just a text editor, isn’t it? It's an Lisp machine with a text editor! :) We could have variants for building with the athena/motif toolkit so that we don't use GTK.