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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.05 X-Spam-Score: -0.05 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5209185293 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: zFrY0/sg37ni --5DdVb8dtUWtHuN3z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 04:57:09PM +0100, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:19:04 +0200 > Efraim Flashner wrote: >=20 > > Announcing the initial release of shepherd-run! > >=20 > > Do you have experience with systemd and systemd-run? Do you wish you > > were able to quickly and easily add a simple service to your (user or > > system) shepherd instance? > >=20 > > Using the finest technologies from the 70's, written in gawk, I > > present shepherd-run! > Is there any plans to integrate that with Guix and Shepherd later on? If it proves to be useful I could see re-writing it in guile so it can be part of shepherd directly. > I'm thinking of uses cases like netctl which is an utility from Arch > Linux that is present in Parabola. Users define network profiles and > netctl somehow interact with systemd to setup the network. >=20 > Here for instance Guix system services or Guix home services are not > dynamic, and especially for the network it could make sense to have > different profiles. >=20 > As I understand netctl generates systemd unit files, so there is > also some similarities between netctl and shepherd-run. >=20 > Denis. Looking at some of the manpages for systemd I saw they have options for on-joining or leaving certain networks and other triggers. 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