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From: Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
Cc: Steve George <steve@futurile.net>,
	Ekaitz Zarraga <ekaitz@elenq.tech>,
	"guix-devel@gnu.org" <guix-devel@gnu.org>,
	Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>,
	Tanguy Le Carrour <tanguy@bioneland.org>
Subject: Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 15:18:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZxuMkyDB25ceGSR3@3900XT> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875xpgo8cc.fsf@elephly.net>

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On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 11:11:31AM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> Steve George <steve@futurile.net> writes:
> 
> > One concern with supporting developers is whether it demotivates them
> > in the long-term: from intrinsic to extrinisic motivation. Basically,
> > the answer is that pay doesn't motivate but it does 'enable' for
> > committed contributors: the Linux foundation survey shows this,
> > there's also various academic pieces on FOSS motivation.
> 
> Paying some people also has the potential of eroding motivation for
> those who are not paid.
> 
> *Employing* people and having their salaries be paid from donations held
> by a foundation is a can of worms that I personally would shy away from
> opening.  An easier and less daunting way to inject monetary rewards
> into volunteer-based activities is to fund awards for certain
> accomplishments.  This would strip all the complications of employment
> and still allow for less desirable work to be rewarded.

I can no longer find the reference, but Debian experimented with having
someone (or several someones, its been many years now) paid to fix
release-critical bugs before one of their releases. That release went
out about 2 months "later" than other releases, with the assumption
being that few people were willing to do the work for free that someone
was explicitly being paid for.

I'm worried about some sort of "recognition of exemplary work" pay-out,
it suggests that others' work isn't exemplary enough for recognition and
commiseration.

The best I can think of currently is to offer grants for travel to
events (FOSDEM, etc) or to help fund computers and/or office furniture
with the belief that it would make their contributions easier/faster or
more productive. With the idea of paying for things, not paying people
directly for their time.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-25 12:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-24 22:08 Discussion on Guix funding // future Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-10-25  8:12 ` Steve George
2024-10-25  9:11   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2024-10-25  9:16     ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-10-25  9:37       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2024-10-25 11:05         ` indieterminacy
2024-10-25 11:22           ` Steve George
2024-10-25 11:51             ` indieterminacy
2024-10-25 12:05         ` Efraim Flashner
2024-10-26 17:16         ` Tomas Volf
2024-10-25 11:06     ` Steve George
2024-10-25 12:13       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2024-10-25 12:18     ` Efraim Flashner [this message]
2024-10-25 15:49       ` Steve George
2024-10-25 12:58 ` Thompson, David
2024-10-25 14:31   ` Christopher Howard
2024-10-26  6:57     ` Steve George
2024-10-28 16:47       ` Christopher Howard
2024-10-25 19:13   ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-10-25 23:25     ` Attila Lendvai
2024-10-26 12:49       ` Greg Hogan
2024-10-26 13:48   ` Guix (and Guile's) promise, and how to (hopefully) get there Christine Lemmer-Webber
2024-10-26 14:49     ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-10-26 20:22       ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-10-27  0:38         ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-10-29 23:04           ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-10-28 10:09         ` Andreas Enge
2024-10-28 10:20         ` Andreas Enge
2024-10-26 16:40     ` Suhail Singh
2024-10-26 22:07       ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-10-27  1:33         ` Suhail Singh
2024-10-26 22:28       ` indieterminacy
2024-10-26 21:12     ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-10-28  9:21   ` Discussion on Guix funding // future Andreas Enge
2024-10-26 15:04 ` Ludovic Courtès
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2024-10-25 14:21 Noé Lopez via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-10-25 21:26 ` Greg Hogan

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