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Thu, 28 Sep 2023 00:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 10:19:00 +0300 From: Efraim Flashner To: Simon Tournier Cc: MSavoritias , Janneke Nieuwenhuizen , paul , Nathan Dehnel , atai@atai.org, guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Emacs and Guix (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Simon Tournier , MSavoritias , Janneke Nieuwenhuizen , paul , Nathan Dehnel , atai@atai.org, guix-devel@gnu.org References: <875y41gx14.fsf@gnu.org> <2a710ca0-466b-0d6e-9768-60b7904178cc@autistici.org> <87msxdfbuy.fsf@gnu.org> <865y3ykn5o.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jFGdowyeV+jLcBCm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <865y3ykn5o.fsf@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x41AAE7DCCA3D8351 X-PGP-Key: https://flashner.co.il/~efraim/efraim_flashner.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::430; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.34 X-Spam-Score: -5.34 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4B2A564BC7 X-TUID: gDMmyACqpnXD --jFGdowyeV+jLcBCm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 10:34:11PM +0200, Simon Tournier wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 at 14:09, MSavoritias wrote: >=20 > > when its the same people that push Emacs as the "blessed" way to=20 > > contribute (as in the guix manual) >=20 > Just to point 1. Guix is part of GNU =E2=80=93 for the good, the bad and = the > ugly =E2=80=93 so 2. editors developed under the GNU umbrella are autopro= moted =E2=80=93 > GNU Emacs is one, GNU nano would be another one. Well, for what it is > worth, I feel such autopromotion as some consistency. >=20 > BTW, Efraim is GNU Guix co-maintainer and demoed the use of Vim for Guix > development: >=20 > https://10years.guix.gnu.org/video/using-vim-for-guix-development/ >=20 > Somehow, when one co-maintainer publicly demoed using not-Emacs makes a > point that there is no =E2=80=9Cblessed=E2=80=9C editors =E2=80=93 and th= e part dedicated for > Emacs in the manual seems just an autopromotion of GNU products that > contributors enjoy for cooking =E2=80=93 dogfooding. ;-). Oh no! My very embarrassing talk where I was missing that magic 1 or 2 packages from my manifest and then everything fell apart. I think I need to watch it again myself and then try redoing it at home. > Contributions in the Guix manual or in the cookbook about how to setup > other editors than Emacs are very welcome. This is the big part. I have a setup that works reasonably well for me and I haven't done a good job sharing it with others so they can see some of the other options. IIRC one of the big things I wanted to show was using ctags with Guix to jump quickly between packages or to other definitions. 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