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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1685513740; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=yqYF2ow3DMdxwILaXdRZxscOAnVghJ4SBkxn+JE6y/s=; b=dMXcRYWm1daKHcJa/rMJqrxcFJM5sjUNxnlFlU9HdHQKpJTinZctslQECl4WqMHktIMKk3 bGD2f/IHUGai8WHvOHSIodRy8afogNUsNdAhwwLKgnvLLX8Okd66/6wy0E+MrnL5gbxFno hUmnHQzyyWiXuR5TysP1UhEDoNfSUPKjSu6jjwokpmE3Qu2PzaXbey/Jt7wnFa2FQk7bBs Pbd4mZHfmMfDPrefxxbdIFKWZy2ogMKd91/DleV8X9B3nHHolj8onGGoOI3XfzsMDTen9M rhwTfSwLfeY9i/BwnAwYcIn4Hx22WTSzrN1VJO7YbadGoEATLYVzRFaMxWINeA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=6xq.net header.s=MBO0001 header.b=0iK95ciX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=6xq.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1685513740; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=i3PbqQLIglkqZjkMKrccJ+PIykMt3F7ukxzl/pJjwxiyrxnBuFiNEohl9MH/Obo9+CM5LS VkJuyUyoPXsbzqJkSYIInHD2Y7x6azEsBQWvUbwMGsyJBH1EmjoqW4SRvt5DXxTuWQEoP7 B4Y57iIwXLTpvkjEZUcCtTQk/QoqTTOI4cfjT6s0M3nZOLcs2/ZUGMfAdfiKr4D4azRtSd FoA1UEuKUUSGeSmK2JRAUwoS3VTtJz7gqGGDHQlKXhX/0rq9gAFpjHiSG+jFqirhaOAbO/ 6QwaF826OKGmKv9ffYswh+IW30By4MweIYLXwEG1E7O/3elYtJcm7CNVciscmA== X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.35 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=6xq.net header.s=MBO0001 header.b=0iK95ciX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=6xq.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2CBAF16D98 X-Spam-Score: -2.35 X-TUID: fxNFdWierLKO Hi, > a less frequent drop in substitute availability on master would considerably elevate my satisfaction with guix as a user. and in my reading that is the cost that Christopher talks about here. I was also unhappy enough to pull after the change was made, but substitutes were not available yet. This is pretty bad if you don’t have the local compute power (laptop) to build the entire Java bootstrap chain. Or just imagine needing Haskell… I just ended up using `guix pull --roll-back`, because that revision was unusable for me. Woudn’t it make sense to create a “feature branch” for mass rebuilds like this one (even if it’s just one package), get the substitutes ready and then merge to master? Cheers, Lars