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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1682063972; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RVJtLngxyOWHHuRkfBwiV9KF0e/gS94G68VEWy+1rsxAJctTWcV+bOIXef4LAWLrI8cv3u RlVN8Gb6HRT31g/JBaAVDaLJrHyotwu6hCHw6ACiWhEaCPCPaAtGmuql6B0nsGa1pn10Gi w4Bd7QBgBE+IO6oRjv5sqcQPd3PjzipyhI1gGcnRWDtuENTK1VsIci76+s6vvz0ZfALoHW twKX9BAZaXpA58zxwQSCTjj31t+8JhPAcCyLKnnZVn5JcANdcTnpZapTeOCQbiZPdEQlR7 5IOhOyMERmmatDk91lv/2MnAgNItnmE3q1Icrx9F8V6OeqR0XJG2SNol8htXRQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1682063972; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=YONUAd9mGru4q3lnBUIkFBtbZBq569xqjiOoFYx+uMg=; b=M/RI9/HzU0wR0JzpbJK2MBwYpY5rpW6vBm5W1ry9CP4Z0MjDac7YaxFyj1i3WcaojmyGQa OzvXkQL2t0Gid52PV2uLm4DumfPtbfOZtkUOUBapGtCaobSZVuwHNFJHLLRkaC3VmhEUkf +M18uYSmBeUVIl1qY/GIQ1TJ24dW8gEELhIJsezPsGKZr3JnuE7jqOJ9tkv8u0XDOz8lft WnAEGH+xuARD4siZ8VyG5gHzDfprptes9eb8m9p0TdQ+mNTqg7WH63/ok6LNW/IPcc6fjX hJBEEuONzBAYk3glH3sXiMFbCMLeNfTP4uUjgE6W00r72IrNX0B5DvG+2Etw1g== X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.52 X-Spam-Score: -2.52 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 171FA51D9 X-TUID: FDONU/Qj2dxg Hello Maxim, Am Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 02:41:31PM +0200 schrieb Andreas Enge: > I am not sure what "frozen" means exactly; I would say we must not make > commits to core-updates unless they repair a broken package, or maybe help > repair broken packages further down towards the leaves. your recent docbook commits probably do not fit this definition, much less so than the suggested valgrind update that we nevertheless postponed until after the merge. They cause an extraordinary number of rebuilds. I hope they are mostly harmless and do not cause additional build failures, so keeping them in is probably easier than reverting them. But let us from now on stick with commits that make important packages work, or packages very close to the leaves. I suggest the following timetable: - Hard freeze now, only important broken packages or packages close to the leaves may be changed. - Over the weekend, update your systems and profiles and test and repair problems that appear. - If no show-stopper occurs, merge core-updates into master on Tuesday. Andreas