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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Maxim Cournoyer Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1640768814; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=AnENzOMe5MOOhozxLfNd2NVCUP3/hwBMiAKWVRZWe74=; b=SvyRb2AXWWUzzgyRXKCiAM/QBA3bijNTmIdhq3UtmDD+KiBigk3fnfz4Q9CglegI/BHorG Fb/Mkkzad851bzheZ4ewTmGJTpSU241JdD9KjzIvcyUxNoS64DPURwYmhHD4YwTqTtVogV 43URuWh+zhCz5JTPM/Ol936TCBAwwxGf7sc1hW75L/tZyZ7GGsq4IRYk1kegcT5ervkdv9 zDUJc9kmvZz3WLfQ+feCXQhltBCyhb78qNjpMfY1xfCVzrVi9LcVNKvdfTBxLnBFqh1wqb s9dJVEoibFTMiI5F1EFkQAmvrewXk6PHaG6PUxBCGeBRoHB1HN+mXgks/5L4WQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1640768814; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=BpZC7EiRW33gyaWQ28Yc8cHp0SCo/JqryNg0DQkxdZoGrHaloZsxjl6QwSxxkd0kERVq5V rOtxNX5oEbl/IWzdtAiBePOXrL6nH6JyBLs3K/kfjnu8ZaYfog3HM7Sgcluz1+nofScz8F FgkhSB99mhUW/yEpXRrfctB930STomVCdgAZHL4kyLbdQ16g5+XMI6IM5V/2HXrghNO9f5 x+KwU1NQn2P7yuRHRM3o2ROHUHnRGwr/SrEqVISWGYA/CYg06FltdlxquW/zyYt2/wKDe6 m+v5Bazt2b/vZI74M5gvWtOq7DGMRnmWzpu4ipYxj+0ssuOrxJcul0YOheDXiA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.67 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0E25413EC0 X-Spam-Score: -4.67 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: Mr+36N/V/G/F --3v8uSpykfIKDXKN3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 03:44:55PM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: >=20 > Maxim Cournoyer writes: >=20 > >> Guix is nowhere near the size of the Rust community (yet!), but I can > >> already picture teams and members: > >> > >> co-maintainers (=E2=80=9Ccore team=E2=80=9D) > >> community > >> infrastructure > >> internationalization > >> security response > >> release > >> Rust packaging > >> R packaging > >> Java packaging > > > > We'd have to include every language/system of importance to that list > > (Python, Ruby, Emacs, LaTeX, Perl, etc.), no? >=20 > No, only those where we already have the people who could form a team. > There is no need for any of this to be comprehensive. It just needs to > be an improvement over the status quo. >=20 > FWIW, I=E2=80=99ll gladly make it official that I could be the person to = talk to > when it comes to =E2=80=9CR packaging=E2=80=9D. This is already the case= , but only > those people know it who don=E2=80=99t really need to know this. >=20 > Advertising this kind of information or recording it somewhere where our > tools could redirect incoming requests would be an improvement. >=20 > > Are our problems really organizational? I think before attempting to > > come up with a solution, we must analyze and agree on what it is that > > needs improvement to help us move forward more efficiently. >=20 > I do think it=E2=80=99s a lack of organization, yes. Today I=E2=80=99m n= o longer > following guix-commits, guix-patches, or bug-guix, and I=E2=80=99m overwh= elmed > by guix-devel and help-guix. Whenever something catches my attention > I=E2=80=99ll read a bit and maybe reply. But by far the best way to get = my > attention for a review is to ask on #guix or #guix-hpc or to > X-Debbugs-Cc (or Cc) me on emails. >=20 > Having some topic-specific streams I could tap into would allow me to be > a little more proactive. >=20 Echoing Rekardo, I still check each commit as I git pull but I'm not able to keep up with all of guix-devel, guix-help and bugs-guix anymore. I currently have about 3000 unread emails in my combo guix-devel/bugs-guix folder that I keep as a todo list of sorts of patches to check or bugs to follow-up on. 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