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spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 75AF816C1D X-Spam-Score: -1.33 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: P5i1defh0iox Hi, > > What should be the use of having a package without pip? Anything else > > than saving a few KB? > saving some space and unvendoring components that we also have separate > packages for. (As I understand it, ensurepip, which installs both pip and > setuptools, is merely a convenience tool if you install Python from > source yourself – not for distributions.) there is another crucial one: Collisions. Right now our python-pip and python-setuptools packages are rather useless, because they collide with the Python-bundled one. I’m trying to update Jupyter currently and python-jupyter-packaging depends on a newer setuptools (v46ish) than our python package provides (v41). Adding python-setuptools (v52) to the propagated inputs (yes, it’s a runtime dependency), would be the natural solution, but the resulting setuptools package in the build environment for packages depending on python-jupyter-packaging is a mix between v42 and v52 and does not work. Cheers, Lars