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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, 46848@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1624951264; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=RD4G0u69JO8HtDEdMdaooKxX6ObkQ4i5xuqxYIHdDj8=; b=G+xn6HYppUyCH1S2YbarHoF4UWh4dSJ9TNLCc7ji35k/95pdEqbwsDqsayJccUaf8YoPe+ OUZD+Q5Fzdzx7BQcnDp4fe81UomXFqlbuhne91bhCJUfKHIVi0m9uHF+fkIhW9d3QAzLoE Cw6AK0mip8WxmQ6PnneaZkPgornG0+BahOLkJcYpUwOZFaJrX0BLNH8fw+PD4qiT/M+BFv JX+DMJsi8sROg9q1Af622ONZu/WzBH+OGfZSZx4l4+XjpcXZKnpuDGvxNGYS3CAVOklTbo 7iujSeZrKQrUe1hkELJT7/b191ryRO/po4lfqRhPc1O4ZjKQPUQxNr9QKcvKtw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1624951264; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=kx8V+yCRCR7S3WDKFf1HdYWLNmIOrLv5MEAA9TDaxN+tYBOgWu9ncUIOKe9fDPxxypkw6r JP+4fDlT70naJbRtnqU6r/5EIED+DXYSyL1L8L2kyBwS5JTjsAprDDjFsyELB4CMd5yIaQ 7Oh9Ctfu5XE8WNEwWn1Fq6J/w79YegLBOoVgOpNCtpy/06XGx/DNYs326pPNvimm1uFYWH jC0nRWTUaidI33+Kvv7/IsQRpCeCMT+j8AE6V9F2eHXBB0vqnKkzgD81Z6/guMWjYLe5Pr c4s79SzoYXYaUJrBzrdJYn0wJEq7aPTmm1IyyliMJ4UwLFaLvGvzWx3ff2T6bw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=6xq.net header.s=MBO0001 header.b=tRZASMCW; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=6xq.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.18 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=6xq.net header.s=MBO0001 header.b=tRZASMCW; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=6xq.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: F0AF118AC6 X-Spam-Score: 0.18 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: WKvYtaRPAhQ+ Hi Hartmut, > What should be the use of having a package without pip? Anything else > than saving a few KB? saving some space and unvendoring components that we also have separate packages for. (As I understand it, ensurepip, which installs both pip and setuptools, is merely a convenience tool if you install Python from source yourself – not for distributions.) > AFAIK this might not be true if other build systems not using setuptools > at all might show up. And isn't this the main reason for all your work? No, try git clone https://github.com/pypa/pep517.git cd pep517 pip wheel --use-pep517 -v . which has no setup.py and uses flit instead. pip can build it, because it supports PEP 517-based builds. As I said, if we decide to keep it bundled with our python package, there’s no good reason to choose pypa-build. Cheers, Lars