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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1623607067; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=1TQo83Xl8Sl4oUz/k1evsTBUsdQs4Y6AM87hOl6EO3M=; b=g3NRopBKRMIB/uV4eRFKJjS20T0XIQSCfMvdmLo9SXw70+Ee2PSvYAvj1v/iDrnoAIeE7M GZc3O3ZBgg+szazps2sMz96qteJY0W4Vri0UtZUPdKsLrtaxV4XEpj8dMxmsSI5aC0b8lC I1peQ3TSrte9Y//MbclKXRkWCLCd6jpaK7BUF1vPvNpqzwc3jn0Ddt1k7qsRcJMgI8GbcV GVnm7P1aX/3s/pQTemFxCCN9FaMbWWcEWFB1KMp8R7Ly/Z3oU5rj0RmtMIsD5pXOE8epc7 OKY4VJLKBu1ukC3uOO9sUF79SbCLU1GSuV21PqfanQ+IAdi1XIGxyOdKc2QKWA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1623607067; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=QlE8MOIs70J0fAgc7/70UZNlGj8M8Jpe2atrTwz76TVvOjBjNJy6THHeBp/CN5vR1gv/UA JqAbWxBkHXJT0kft+BJsVXasjf5gQEZYjW/J1HAWJ5/ObVpEx52HcoojSjJetMIu8jvxAH diPQHwqOvg1WXCAMv3HBO9YMluXnbrIPGCyKUa5cvaZ9167vOg7kfEArPceBInLZPZmhmL rXkvwAh+j8bI/1Jmiy1kr85Ucq4enKiNAXHcb4CDUtw8MNb+uDHDJVREKoy+4J+5MVC+Eh G1DiqbiXDjhoyk+n2IgDPKU1H9CVXBR9LjtjvT7jbUfXK+Rx4vhwEd50acDtDw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=TEKp6SPP; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b="c+/8Ir6e"; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.42 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=TEKp6SPP; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b="c+/8Ir6e"; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AD6A01998A X-Spam-Score: -1.42 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 8WO/x9yzvahl On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 11:32:01AM +0200, Leo Prikler wrote: > Of course, there's the added bonus of the lead developer > expressing their views in a… rather aggressive tone to put it mildly, > but that's a social problem. To be fair to the author, the bug report described a simple update notifier as "surveillance" and said that Goyal is contributing "to the normalization of surveillance in GNU/Linux software." Those are opinions, not facts. The bug reporter's social skills were also quite poor; you don't begin to ask for something by using pejorative terms and accusing people of doing something nefarious. It is insulting. Because Kitty has an automatic update notifier built-in, it's obvious that Kitty is intended to be distributed outside of the old-school GNU/Linux distro model, and that means that automatic updates are expected and valuable. Distros like Guix are the entities who are doing something weird in this scenario. Not to mention that telemetry about crashes and usage are extremely valuable for developers. The free software community's resistance to that kind of automated feedback is an important factor in the overall low quality of free software relative to other non-free operating systems, in my opinion. There are many reasons that "the masses" choose not to use GNU/Linux despite extremely widespread popular dissatisfaction with "big tech", and low quality and poor integration is a big one, in my experience.