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Soon after the Guix 1.3.0 was released, we updated our default kernel to 5.12, because 5.11 became unsupported, as planned. However, this caused a regression for at least one user [2]. I'm not sure exactly how the situation could be improved. Maybe the installer and the operating-system declarations that it generates could instead use one of the "longterm" [1] kernel series? I'm not totally comfortable steering users to these longterm kernels series, since they are more buggy and less featureful than newer kernel series, but at least they do not change very much. What do you think? [0] https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/packages/linux.scm?h=v1.3.0#n892 [1] https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html [2] https://bugs.gnu.org/48604