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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel , Leo Prikler , GNU Guix maintainers Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619929911; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=y1DESKvRgC3SGLg/J7Ihn+m8ViMhWn2mzr/2BDLaCfg=; b=mjluNOsj7ORY6EpjgPIkrBdnpF6+Q+AamZPkHDirqbWY3u3qUQJvb1K0BG+oCMG+VADkoh 9PDdqbYrh6fgiL9tVHlBSaU8ss4Zf6IwMNyGuR8k+QmwhZmUe/9m4F/WiPRxL23F9Cv/tf GiKbgTI7cZYgWKRADybEk7VsQfcfcjoC2IZh6ezeOeO1ZppzcBq5dmMabn1str3eit5FN9 +8WoFpbqRDwVDDExTR5YKzspneu67YbXKOEiON4eCEkCqjIkR1W7qp9d43/qkRCjS9eR6A 4tLEws0lCJTPjAQ3qZXt3QCEYs74pM16UJVsIDfPM2zD1xrjvBOJWSiVpmzaOA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619929911; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=N79SgoRCYFY4UZwcLOj5BIBy95hL7euDpUaFindY6gl2a5xp222NQqtqkIQrLXBC6m1KF7 CcxPJqKaHGE1ksVAUNTOIMn2TEV4mpGfrNe+JIXm010zPRVWsXuK1pUII+69DYbZ4Bcvah OF7XXqwzLzAsnRXHxV0h1HDmYEGCHFgCeNehRYfFKD4MIOs6bg1LzzjHZdavF6a8r/TmbU PpjsBvDVY1GdGs5xUTv5RuA2snOjsgmKYVF+UE8xCkc2hXvFGUCtY813SYNRYA/tu0oTym fPWPJ0KVdP89KXlfs9XRLuHEQngTXbxKEvl3PCm4yzRaB8doHlzLWk1GMHz7Og== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=0Rqnirkp; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b="GLIc2wA/"; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.46 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=0Rqnirkp; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b="GLIc2wA/"; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3E9761E8BB X-Spam-Score: -1.46 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 8j2Rmfk+Xj9d On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 12:17:59PM +0800, 宋文武 wrote: > Hello Leo, I see nothing wrong for assuming bad faith when security > fixes of packages are removed, in the end the truth matter, which I > believe is: You thought the patches for cario is not needed now on > core-updates, so you remove them. > > > > [...] > > Well, you did fumble on those facts a little, because the true history > > of the misleading commits was only discovered later. So did I in the > > same thread. Either way, "just pointing out facts" is not an accurate > > assessment in my opinion; facts are nothing without interpretation, > > which see. > > Yes, you have to take actions based on interpretation to get more clues > from existed facts to reach the truth. > > > [...] > > Let it be said, that I don't condemn you for starting this thread. Not > > only did it highlight an issue, that would otherwise have gone > > unnoticed, I think most of the participants are now more acutely aware > > of what might go wrong if they evade review. It is sad, that things > > turned out the way they did, but despite what others might claim you > > don't bear sole responsibility for that. > > Sure, I think we just lack some trust. With the trust, you'll know that > Mark only want to confirm the truth with you and avoid this kind of > issues in the future. To clarify, Leo Prikler is not the same person that was involved in removing the Cairo bug fixes. That was a different person, also named Leo. Not me, either :)