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[3] > Having observed this, I see little meaning in having a frontend, which > per its name promises to open archives that their existing tooling > can't handle, only to then reveal that it was the existing tooling all > along. If it didn't have the name that suggested it was able to do > that, no one would expect it to, and upon encountering an archive that > libarchive can't handle, they could go "well, fuck those rar guys, I > have better things to do", or they could try and figure out what's > wrong and contribute a fix (not that a fix is easily contributed given > the nature of this bug, but somewhere along their journey they'd notice > that rar is proprietary garbage and not fault libarchive too hard for > not handling it). Because unrar-free does have a name that suggests > it's able to unrar those things, however, they will inevitably feel > wronged no matter what and rather think "well, fuck unrar-free, I want > unrar-nonfree". In order to understand your points better, I'd like to summarize them in my own words. Please tell me if I get it wrong. Your objections to the inclusion of this package are that: 1) We already have a package with equivalent functionality 2) The name of this package, unrar-free, might lead users to choose a nonfree program due to similarity. Concretely, the nonfree program is called "unrar". Is that correct?