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Mon, 27 Feb 2023 11:10:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 21:10:05 +0200 From: Efraim Flashner To: Mitchell Schmeisser Cc: jbranso@dismail.de, Peter Polidoro , Csepp , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Oniro or Guix on Zephyr kernel? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AEF1D2B1A X-Spam-Score: -1.59 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.59 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-TUID: yvj6vmYGH/Vz --rvbPBsMDiuKsWaGu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 01:36:06PM -0500, Mitchell Schmeisser via Developme= nt of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. wrote: > jbranso@dismail.de writes: >=20 > >> Guix System, 1 Gig of ram, etc, due to the package builder and Guix/Ni= x daemon? If it was possible > >> to declare an instance of Guix System that did not include those and o= nly used cross-compiled > >> packages, could some portion of Guix System function in a similar way = as Oniro, or is that a > >> nonsense question? >=20 > What I understand your question to be is "Can we use Guix to describe an > embedded operating system which does not run Guix?" and I think the > answer is probably. I don't think the guix daemon is technically required > for the shepherd to boot (being the daemon is a shepherd process > itself). I can answer this. I built a one-off Guix image of gparted and it doesn't have the guix-daemon service included. > I don't think it's a good idea because you need the daemon in order to > use `guix deploy`. Otherwise you have to make an installation image and > it can become "involved." If you were willing to forgo `guix deploy` (and guix install, and really any package management) and just reflash it every time then the memory constraints go down to whatever the running programs require. --=20 Efraim Flashner =D7=90=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=99=D7=9D = =D7=A4=D7=9C=D7=A9=D7=A0=D7=A8 GPG key =3D A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted --rvbPBsMDiuKsWaGu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEoov0DD5VE3JmLRT3Qarn3Mo9g1EFAmP9AAwACgkQQarn3Mo9 g1F6uw//S+orEqoeICnG6yYHFLjLalBdWTUBxBjngjr6XaGXwmmSAY33j/Cw07+q J7vJgFVTh6ZGjjuGSkoALxJLP0aSrOeTGwkNPPZURmR/xjPXMu65/sBSKXWQGloV U26Dx9hHc4z4J60E4/hVqtPWSW5bB4xF2kVz2vHVKKlO+y2lN1HZRWPvpD3fcj5j sqrnSuUDmmg9eIXDhtUMteW1xa8kRMr3hvVGlXEl5D2uirfKUIZd8Vz3P4ywax+e nt6cplboNGkvEPWnA4odhQwHgbJdIUuntmwpcUhU0PqxYXxu9DDFNRR4uwuKFYPH XnqkcerixzqOal/rLZ6Or8g99DquSNmQnQa1BCuqfegbkp06/A9NcCdpZznxWbdE EHdgIMzDtypKqzpLEAF1EAk86xl18jpp/pv/wpzk+RBhQk4K7vkt8gSltaRsvTCv 6+baV4ECjRhvTDecjtwQQUWG9v6+xWiGd2UEGW9xDt1AO0fVitZnFox0LHlPXwNF JtrAndypHz/oKtW+RhZzbhz/GovuzoEBzr7HWqMy9/+D0CQtaI1BpoGL9XNTFwzI LvIF3eoDWevVL1yjOgAsW8jwaEiG3PY8nvwiAo3gOAgP97maJ2sKj9YfxgGeeqiP Y8riq9t8PaxqG/guF1T0ePwplIgYioopYf+h8bCZipSlAGVA3SQ= =QBZD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rvbPBsMDiuKsWaGu--