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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 72DF53ED60 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.22 X-Spam-Score: -7.22 X-TUID: xJKi9ZfiqE09 > I'm apparently smart enough to install Guix as my daily driver distro, > learn Emacs with Paredit and hack together packages, and then an > email-based system filters me out... i often feel that getting some of my (non-controversial) contributions merg= ed is an equivalent effort compared to creating the contribution itself. th= at should bother any reasonable engineer. and if someone feels the urge to dismiss it as just another inexperienced g= uix user, i already have non-trivial fixes in shepherd, and i'm coding for = 30+ years, and most of it in opensource contexts, just not the GNU flavour. and yet, i still remember the effort it took to send my first few patches t= o guix, and it's still a source of frustration even now that i already lear= ned the necessary incantations. a lot of it feels like jumping through hoop= s. such things always serve as "elaborate filters"; that part is inevitable. t= he only question is what gets filtered out and what gets through. and what = gets filtered out here is mostly unobservable, while it has the power to ma= ke or break a project. i'm writing this with two minds: as a very enthusiastic user, and as a relu= ctant contributor. the fact that this topic comes up repeatedly shows that = i'm probably not alone with this split mind. the enthusiasm makes some of t= he frustraton observable (as opposed to silently walking away), which shoul= d be seen as a blessing here. -- =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CThe most urgent necessity is, not that the State should teach, but= that it should allow education. All monopolies are detestable, but the wor= st of all is the monopoly of education.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Fr=C3=A9d=C3=A9ric Bastiat (1801=E2=80=931850), 'What Is Money= ?'