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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1680907609; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=PVgmp29149ZdhIjwaQVzhXmYO/HtOOOIpE//BItQuIhMLz9ixd9G3p89ovVX2MwrQuXROa NijsAEiKnIIuaddBUqKKCWkhxUw2lAGz/3NIsZR1ADrp7rLDNrWKQPqSmHQoQl7Kdi3cWK X8xaPciWuzETLiOX+Rcv2c//Q4EI+OkNdgSwFSrOnnHpAVKQOgH1SyHiIOspKtd3R3iC++ +uflul9snOVlJ8y8/RBmaYy+c9j0IsxgKJzsK1HykRFTpWrorL2aH6DmGymJt7vmm2eNDv 4lriULXzU5NQ2Ggud725KCWvsg7ygAki8EmWTNvD8OdNXTMrDgt6J13KuP/FOA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lendvai.name header.s=protonmail2 header.b=kosVfbgV; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1680907609; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=LgrtRlQzHm9cwNtQYfLUhRChTZ7rWggKA0Mp4PVgOXw=; b=Nqkix6MlEHiLDjMUuCJSPDx9hyMpN+eHsDAQi2XgDxkj8pGnROOg3WNZm2b22IPNlM3PXb nximPWEHg8dX988tVYjTO0LwFvd2dO7lV3WD0wMimD5IWaDwULQQrtRBT0NNt4ouyjUEZn UbXqHRxzysKU4D6ugvtt8AQDVqB/G5LAtwJz07YOkIIIM9nCFqf8Jtp6rz1sgl5GQ9dW3c XJ/Dq+mkOipjC780YQkBb+xXzp4dGwUHQkId/9tVeVpCCq4JgodLtXN35XtRpyAbZXdzs5 glVuiakqq8u1PVMzP/AWA4E9l28OiaHDyVMW8bYz/lVc21eTO6/83YGGHubzhw== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.35 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lendvai.name header.s=protonmail2 header.b=kosVfbgV; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Spam-Score: -4.35 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 65ABC29F85 X-TUID: OhfAsfhsuxtr > Could you be provide some details for helping my curiosity? this page also has a much shorter whitepaper: https://www.ethswarm.org/why it started out as a storage layer for Ethereum, and as such one of its main= task is to store the blockchain data, but it's not limited to that. there'= s nothing special about the blockchain data from this perspective, and refl= ecting that, the Swarm project is not under the Ethereum umbrella anymore. > However, somehow, I am not convinced that Guix should introduce some > mechanisms to tackle some free rider problems [3]. isn't the main task of every p2p storage solution to tackle the free rider = problem? -- =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CA proper association is united by ideas, not by men, and its membe= rs are loyal to the ideas, not to the group.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Ayn Rand (1905=E2=80=931982), 'Philosophy: Who Needs It' (1982= ) --=20 =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CAt a distance, you only see my light. Come closer and know that I = am you.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Rumi (1207=E2=80=931273)