From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id oB84EgPRU2JOXAEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:56:03 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id 8KDwCgPRU2KnQwAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:56:03 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB0CA2A3E1 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:56:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:38616 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ndnxx-0005DB-QV for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:56:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41618) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ndnrV-00014U-3M for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:49:21 -0400 Received: from mail-4317.proton.ch ([185.70.43.17]:49660) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ndnrQ-0005X6-An; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:49:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 06:49:03 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lendvai.name; s=protonmail3; t=1649659748; bh=+khmQMgeeD+4AyWGy+RpeiawmHeXeGWa+T7SYW1EQPQ=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=shpYRWWUn12hb9TvC3RaxHsrnHCjAziE/yj5MK+QUPOc/qauTYO3mEzGeH/wMUpql fSFiRg99EZqvBr632JfqmwXWZlYZBHmrYfRxnWJUIxaGypt/faV6ZEpC4wewBlmhFW MvWqQOWYTEoOCneyL3lxU1tBXHC4W1mCXbCkkpbV/uRDg0e89CMrgvPD+T3T57IPSX sOrEJ8IaQQyF62r4+JwwHnC/8H4RvYbZD7cMLruN7yctf/frWIk+qD0mQGd0CR9VpW Ktg5N4xceH4v4qwcMVjiXm1Gw+n5Z7qhgroRAA/ZOHtjD4tpYTPHG+rIS2ISVhlkLW c/VRcOTjo7Lag== To: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= From: Attila Lendvai Subject: Re: Guix wiki Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87ee55glj6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <17e40b111ce.bc05a4a071499.1598136714226569120@excalamus.com> <17e49565b21.1285153a6259042.8278566905195778367@excalamus.com> <87zgo16ebc.fsf@elephly.net> <17e4c5403ca.e72c7b19372548.5993925318643575057@excalamus.com> <87ee55glj6.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.17; envelope-from=attila@lendvai.name; helo=mail-4317.proton.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Attila Lendvai Cc: guix-devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1649660163; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=+khmQMgeeD+4AyWGy+RpeiawmHeXeGWa+T7SYW1EQPQ=; b=KiKc+ZGbgvyZIjwMQZdcqHlhNpSfbLL6WuJF1uM2djTF1dU7yPqZm3m3Egr8Vdg0Ri3jAI 9UCVE/WGg4itTy70iWNzy0umMmIN9RV8pdU6W1VLkQV2nD8h5mVHgJAlymuStqBFXAW5yU RCyOt2U9Bk0P+fWH0BMqZR7/FnPauEBIDCkMhWNwB5nk8TAXRHGSGeN/Xs9EL8nqyGlteu VfFX2HiXulG4x/6PAFXGpH+eKYUouw887W1uNdKS1Bs/nVelbh5CyDrocSxCzGYZ1IPbUB DX+02KGcYB1KgtZQTfbNuk3A42JAL2YZjGc0WhgnzzfBQ7pL3oo8XD6y5eCmkg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1649660163; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=gSWO12dl8BkGmaPBlWMbph1Im92Qdy3qO85royduinN+8EnGwRTD/p68bQIbeKZHygtdaM ASfAkiVwvME8GfuA78A4GDDxrzffAy46B7zG9rHdlM4g8iaj9jPIbdcUbMT9YSHVXKlx4h HS66qo+9LdZ6hc8yDoRf32yQTYzb/NiNsrGkChVDTYYjiHjQ5COUvczY5rV9pgYmZRPlBY xwCvhWgYDSFlFF+RG8/v6LCrKIpmaiSvGzyuGrDVM01vSfFMzJ9x+rQLcIQ8BBCSVtk6e1 GWgCyZwj4rBrbiT3I2AGQIXXmfNmY0+QasCT59PM+g3BQzlRkOlJ9bPemTdROw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lendvai.name header.s=protonmail3 header.b=shpYRWWU; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 1.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lendvai.name header.s=protonmail3 header.b=shpYRWWU; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: CB0CA2A3E1 X-Spam-Score: 1.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: FZys7TUBb9mm here's an example of what i would add to the wiki, because i think all othe= r options are worse (but correct me if i'm wrong!): open a page about highlevel design goals/issues, and then open an entry for= the problem that packages have two names in two namespaces: the scheme mod= ule/variable namespace, and the guix package name namespace. these names are pretty much independent from each other (modulo some conven= tions), and this is an issue for the importers. more specifically the go im= porter, that currently needs scheme variable names to refer to the identifi= ed dependencies, while it can only look up the package objects. these objec= ts know nothing about the scheme variables they are stored in. if someone wants to use guix as a platform for reproducible builds of go pr= ojects (independent of guix revisions), then a package definitions is neede= d that refers to specific versions of its dependencies. currently it's not possible to open a new isolated scheme module, and algor= ithmically define/import the entire transitive closure of the dependencies = of a go project, because they may clash in the package-name namespace with = projects already defined elsewhere in guix. -- =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CIt's better to know nothing than to know what ain't so.=E2=80= =9D =09=E2=80=94 Josh Billings