* Wireless networking in guix
@ 2015-01-27 2:56 Omar Radwan
2015-01-27 13:02 ` Daniel Pimentel
2015-01-27 13:04 ` Ludovic Courtès
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From: Omar Radwan @ 2015-01-27 2:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: guix-devel
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I recently purchased a ThinkPenguin Wireless USB adapter because I have a
built-in Intel wireless card to work with my Thinkpad. I've been spending
some time to get wireless up and running, and I can say with the utilities
like wpa-supplicant, iw, and ip, it's a very tedious process every time you
wanted to get your wireless network up and running. I think we should get a
wireless network manager, and I do not recommend NetworkManager since it
has a dependency on systemd and we don't have that. I would recommend wicd,
except that its development it practically dried up, but it's still usable,
I don't know of any other network managers, but maybe we should look into
it.
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* Re: Wireless networking in guix
2015-01-27 2:56 Wireless networking in guix Omar Radwan
@ 2015-01-27 13:02 ` Daniel Pimentel
2015-01-27 13:04 ` Ludovic Courtès
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From: Daniel Pimentel @ 2015-01-27 13:02 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Omar Radwan; +Cc: guix-devel, guix-devel-bounces+d4n1=opmbx.org
On 2015-01-26 23:56, Omar Radwan wrote:
> I recently purchased a ThinkPenguin Wireless USB adapter because I
> have a built-in Intel wireless card to work with my Thinkpad. I've
> been spending some time to get wireless up and running, and I can say
> with the utilities like wpa-supplicant, iw, and ip, it's a very
> tedious process every time you wanted to get your wireless network up
> and running. I think we should get a wireless network manager, and I
> do not recommend NetworkManager since it has a dependency on systemd
> and we don't have that. I would recommend wicd, except that its
> development it practically dried up, but it's still usable, I don't
> know of any other network managers, but maybe we should look into it.
The Wicd is a good alternative and there are fewer dependencies. I
believe that Wicd package will go out in soon.
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Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)
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* Re: Wireless networking in guix
2015-01-27 2:56 Wireless networking in guix Omar Radwan
2015-01-27 13:02 ` Daniel Pimentel
@ 2015-01-27 13:04 ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-01-27 13:09 ` Daniel Pimentel
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From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2015-01-27 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Omar Radwan; +Cc: guix-devel
I’ve used wicd in the past, and I agree it would be good to have it.
It needs packaging and a service definition, both of which should be
relatively easy.
Any takers? :-)
Ludo’.
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* Re: Wireless networking in guix
2015-01-27 13:04 ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2015-01-27 13:09 ` Daniel Pimentel
2015-01-27 15:02 ` Omar Radwan
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From: Daniel Pimentel @ 2015-01-27 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw
To: ludo; +Cc: guix-devel, guix-devel-bounces+d4n1=opmbx.org
On 2015-01-27 10:04, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
> I’ve used wicd in the past, and I agree it would be good to have it.
> It needs packaging and a service definition, both of which should be
> relatively easy.
>
> Any takers? :-)
>
> Ludo’.
I wait for it too :)
--
Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)
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* Re: Wireless networking in guix
2015-01-27 13:09 ` Daniel Pimentel
@ 2015-01-27 15:02 ` Omar Radwan
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From: Omar Radwan @ 2015-01-27 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Daniel Pimentel; +Cc: guix-devel
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>I’ve used wicd in the past, and I agree it >would be good to have it.
>It needs packaging and a service >definition, both of which should be
>relatively easy.
>Any takers? :-)
>Ludo’.
I could try to port it as my first package. It seems trivial enough. I'm
pretty sure that I'll get stuck somewhere but I'll just drop by the irc if
that happens.
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* Wireless networking in guix
@ 2015-01-27 15:08 Ondra Pelech
2015-01-27 15:19 ` Omar Radwan
2015-01-27 19:39 ` Svetlana Tkachenko
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From: Ondra Pelech @ 2015-01-27 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw
To: toxemicsquire4; +Cc: Guix devel
> NetworkManager ... has a dependency on systemd
It doesn't seem to be the case:
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/networkmanager.html
best regards
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* Re: Wireless networking in guix
2015-01-27 15:08 Ondra Pelech
@ 2015-01-27 15:19 ` Omar Radwan
2015-01-27 15:26 ` Ondra Pelech
2015-01-27 19:39 ` Svetlana Tkachenko
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From: Omar Radwan @ 2015-01-27 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Ondra Pelech; +Cc: guix-devel
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> It doesn't seem to be the case:
>
> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/networkmanager.html
That's strangely peculiar. On debian, network manager wouldn't dare run
except with systemd installed. But even if so, I still do think that wicd
is the better option.
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* Re: Wireless networking in guix
2015-01-27 15:19 ` Omar Radwan
@ 2015-01-27 15:26 ` Ondra Pelech
2015-01-27 15:48 ` Omar Radwan
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From: Ondra Pelech @ 2015-01-27 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Omar Radwan; +Cc: guix-devel
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Omar Radwan <toxemicsquire4@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't seem to be the case:
>>
>> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/networkmanager.html
>
> That's strangely peculiar. On debian, network manager wouldn't dare run
> except with systemd installed.
it is probably a matter of configuration -- no hard dependency outside of debian
> But even if so, I still do think that wicd is
> the better option.
networkmanager is actively developed and maintained with many people involved
https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager
vs
https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd
also, networkmanager is a dependency of GNOME
best regards
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* Re: Wireless networking in guix
2015-01-27 15:26 ` Ondra Pelech
@ 2015-01-27 15:48 ` Omar Radwan
2015-01-27 16:48 ` Andreas Enge
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From: Omar Radwan @ 2015-01-27 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Ondra Pelech; +Cc: guix-devel
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>networkmanager is actively developed >and maintained with many people
>involved
>https <https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>://
<https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>www.openhub.net
<https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>/p/
<https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>network-
<https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>>manager
<https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>
>vs
>https <https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd>:// <https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd>
www.openhub.net <https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd>/p/
<https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd>wicd <https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd>
>also, networkmanager is a dependency >of GNOME
It makes no sense to not package both if we can. If we ever get GNOME on
guix, which requires us to do something about that systemd dependency, then
we can set network manager as default.
On Jan 27, 2015 7:26 AM, "Ondra Pelech" <ondra.pelech@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Omar Radwan <toxemicsquire4@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> It doesn't seem to be the case:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/networkmanager.html
> >
> > That's strangely peculiar. On debian, network manager wouldn't dare run
> > except with systemd installed.
>
> it is probably a matter of configuration -- no hard dependency outside of
> debian
>
> > But even if so, I still do think that wicd is
> > the better option.
>
> networkmanager is actively developed and maintained with many people
> involved
>
> https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager
> vs
> https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd
>
> also, networkmanager is a dependency of GNOME
>
>
> best regards
>
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* Re: Wireless networking in guix
2015-01-27 15:48 ` Omar Radwan
@ 2015-01-27 16:48 ` Andreas Enge
2015-01-27 17:01 ` Andreas Enge
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Enge @ 2015-01-27 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Omar Radwan; +Cc: guix-devel, Ondra Pelech
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 07:48:36AM -0800, Omar Radwan wrote:
> It makes no sense to not package both if we can. If we ever get GNOME on guix,
> which requires us to do something about that systemd dependency, then we can
> set network manager as default.
I think the pseudo-dependency on systemd may be hidden in this line:
"Required (...) udev-extras (from eudev)".
If Debian does not package eudev (?), one should need the udev of systemd.
Let us profit from community-driven development: I see a volunteer for
packaging each of the two options, and then the user can decide ;-)
Andreas
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* Re: Wireless networking in guix
2015-01-27 16:48 ` Andreas Enge
@ 2015-01-27 17:01 ` Andreas Enge
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From: Andreas Enge @ 2015-01-27 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Omar Radwan; +Cc: guix-devel, Ondra Pelech
I confirm: In debian, network-manager depends on udev, the binary package
of which is created from the systemd source package.
Andreas
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* Re: Wireless networking in guix
2015-01-27 15:08 Ondra Pelech
2015-01-27 15:19 ` Omar Radwan
@ 2015-01-27 19:39 ` Svetlana Tkachenko
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Svetlana Tkachenko @ 2015-01-27 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw
To: guix-devel
> NetworkManager ... has a dependency on systemd
This, as mentioned in other messages, is possible to avoid.
However I wanted to mention that, to my knowledge, there is no legitimate reason to avoid having systemd as an option in the GUIX distro. The only means by which a project is unsuccessful is if it becomes non-free. Systemd has not done so. Therefore if someone is willing to package it and software that depends on it, this should, to my knowledge, be allowed.
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Svetlana Tkachenko
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