From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Amirouche Boubekki Subject: Re: Firefox 52's end of life, packaging Chromium Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 01:26:43 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87ftyx35pw.fsf@lassieur.org> <87tvncajim.fsf@lassieur.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44322) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvA4E-0005hL-2u for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:40:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fv9rU-0002S1-Kp for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:26:57 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::231]:34336) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fv9rU-0002Ro-F2 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:26:56 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-x231.google.com with SMTP id 13-v6so12285876ois.1 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:26:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87tvncajim.fsf@lassieur.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment_Lassieur?= Cc: guix-devel Le jeu. 30 ao=C3=BBt 2018 =C3=A0 00:35, Cl=C3=A9ment Lassieur a =C3=A9crit : > > Hi Amirouche, > > Thanks for your answer. > > Amirouche Boubekki writes: > > > Let's choose our battle wisely. I want to remind that the core of the > > guix users are GNU followers and are also anything but pro web or pro > > web browser or a variation of that. I don't say every GNU follower is > > against the www. It's not the core of potential guix users > > Guix does not target GNU followers. Good news. > It targets all users. GNU > followers are a very small part of them and they are not a problem > because they usually find their way around. Yes. > The problem is all users > that are not GNU followers (and some GNU followers like me) who need a > modern browser. Out of curiosity, please let us know what you need from the "modern browser= "? On my side, I need a debugger for doing web frontends. > We definitely don't want to frighten them with our > nostalgic ideas about how the web should be and how a browser should be. I don't want to be rude at all, especially with who has been nice to me. But following that kind of logic cannot always be a good way forward. > They just want a browser that works. As long as it's free software, > let's not complicate things for them. I agree. I am wondering what that browser make it the browser they want. > Otherwise we'll never grow. Sorry again to disagree. I don't think the future of guix is in the desktop= . It has been said that GNU/Linux will kill windows on the desktop for a deca= de. It did not happen. Nowadays, people use their computer only to run a browse= r whatever the OS... Given that, It seems to defy the de facto definition of a modern OS not to provide a "good enough" web experience. Snap! > > > 1) What firefox or chromium are useful for comparing to other graphical > > web browsers? > > > > 2) What will chromium bring to guix and guix developers that they > > can't do otherwise? > > > > 3) What are the minimal features for a graphical web browser to be > > useful for a guix developer? > > Today I needed to browse some sites, at work, and I couldn't do it with > anything else than Firefox and Chromium. I'm not alone. Lots of people > need to browse complicated sites that they don't know in advance. > We don't want them to wonder, every time: is it going to work with the br= owser shipped with Guix? Agreed. Ok. I will try to help with a) chromium b) investigate what people are expecting from a modern web browser c) See whether qtwebkit is follows upstream security updates and test it to see if it's stable d) do the same with webkit-gtk