From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Craven Subject: Re: [PATCH] ui: 'package->recutils' serializes the source field. Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:06:09 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20160805145804.26753-1-david@craven.ch> <87y44af52m.fsf@gmail.com> <87shuit01e.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg60g79l.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8gog154.fsf@gnu.org> <87vazcce0a.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8gjvcfl.fsf@netris.org> <8760r7vc57.fsf@netris.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53791) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bXnoY-0000xx-Ph for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 07:06:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bXnoT-0002SF-Pq for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 07:06:17 -0400 Received: from mail-yb0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c09::229]:33585) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bXnoS-0002RT-J9 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 07:06:13 -0400 Received: by mail-yb0-x229.google.com with SMTP id e125so99366ybc.0 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 04:06:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8760r7vc57.fsf@netris.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Mark H Weaver Cc: guix-devel , Alex Kost Hi Mark, We already agreed to drop the patch. I don't understand why you'd want to pick a fight that no one is fighting. Besides where the tarball came from is a fact. Since this is a point of disagreement I think this is a discussion that should be had. I'll provide a couple of word definitions from the English dictionary before providing my argument so that it is clear what I'm talking about. Fact: 1. a thing that is known or proved to be true. 2. information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article. 3. used to refer to a particular situation under discussion. 4. the truth about events as opposed to interpretation. Inform: 1. give (someone) facts or information 2. give an essential or formative principle or quality to Steer: 1. guide or control the movement of (a vehicle, vessel, or aircraft), for example by turning a wheel or operating a rudder. Are you saying that the source-uri of a package isn't a fact? If we agree that it is a fact, it can per definition only inform users actions, being a truth, but not steer them. The only way that this could be considered steering is as I stated earlier, if we censor some facts and display others. This causes facts to show a distorted picture. I provided a solution to this, by agreeing that we weren't providing all information. David