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Chicken Scheme release tarballs ship non-source C code Resent-From: "Thompson, David" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 19:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22366 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: zimoun Received: via spool by 22366-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22366.15894831034644 (code B ref 22366); Thu, 14 May 2020 19:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 22366) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2020 19:05:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34864 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jZJAF-0001Cp-37 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 15:05:03 -0400 Received: from mail-ua1-f53.google.com ([209.85.222.53]:32904) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jZJAE-0001CJ-1V for 22366@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 15:05:02 -0400 Received: by mail-ua1-f53.google.com with SMTP id g35so1564071uad.0 for <22366@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 May 2020 12:05:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=worcester-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yE7PcJ1/D73wPQtryfApsA4/CN7sgF/f1YjWbuHkKwY=; b=pZNK3mrkpMAqhRD2l9L46VdE4BYspf3wYUazWM+BYNPjBvhxxJxwgYfB/eg1h+wKXT FypSw/dsOA93DWDEt+wMnVXg7ik99P4nF3Cr2pt9Ap6X3S8QtS3iZXGSRZwri2jYg9ql s38Mht518kqScJkhBGMeo765A09hQ08kW/Mulzq4wXk79a5T1gGxoMsgaEPT9Gysi6tI YynPZMTjPQvQBh47WpHOvVOcFp/a5KZSWnW5bA3alXgJBs7NztOr3FMrKtw2DS6neHfK 8TAm94uRAHeaG3GT6P8ts4+nBCunbsgsuZPmualUXeBbAoqftlF9xPOa8l+kUdrKdVVp +Bng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yE7PcJ1/D73wPQtryfApsA4/CN7sgF/f1YjWbuHkKwY=; b=GdXSHWyYy/FZPZevm7Ph6TnSb/suClUTdyrq0izFyQWZaCBhZUxG73uVoE2/CGcyf7 yvZObc/0jaAaoFtiIRBxWEz0etcZ8wgfF/r9nzZ9tZKUeKEwpLbWqHgmzRORcc4J1cvt eenuxHsu8aBbPAtAXSD4zWlQJpjXU0KqgrElDGCm5foH3j5OZtBIBhF3q1wuQx/0tUX5 tVmM2rQhUEZNejE7rpA0Op0IiWEH67d/kq4QizhJzD4VRGocL8BqnxS6sVw4ijXpaOtM tjFwWFra0fHV2qBi3m/4HEf50RnZre89HuMBj0umzWyldf/VN2QXXDoqonRI9nz8Zzpv yBLg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531jJNOHv+BHw32eDVp2AjWBUIp9QDXF9OHBNAHTpJMKCrIIi185 z8/LQVPMwzirtJm8saMjKU6FOqiLVtjJfZ2vuybltA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwlqSeVDKBnamHuJ7eApP4EOyax9YnGYajLI6k+A30Vzakx19/XtkCuvLmmq0+bKgYS93FA6/z1QjwIlxrtvDU= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:b13:: with SMTP id b19mr5378598uak.91.1589483096243; Thu, 14 May 2020 12:04:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Thompson, David" Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 15:04:45 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-BeenThere: bug-guix@gnu.org List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: 22366@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=worcester-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=pZNK3mrk; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.49 X-TUID: Wt9EGLZy1VCT On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:33 PM zimoun wrote: > > Dear David, > > The bug report [1] opened more than 4 years ago about the Chicken > bootstrapping is still pending. > > I am not sure to understand these lines; quoting you [1]: > > << > Generated from optimizer.scm by the CHICKEN compiler > > This is *not* source code, it's a binary disguised as C source code. > >> > > Why is it an issue for bootstrappability? Because software is not bootstrappable if it requires taking for granted files that are not source code. In this case, it is these C files. These files are not source code because they are machine generated. In order to generate these files, you need a Chicken Scheme compiler. Therefore, you cannot build Chicken Scheme from source code without already having Chicken Scheme, which makes it non-bootstrappable. I have not kept track of this issue but my understanding was that the Chicken developers do not care (which is unfortunately a very common reaction from developers of self-hosted compilers) but it is nevertheless a bootstrapping issue. > Thank you in advance for any comments. > Or could this bug report be closed? I don't think this can be closed because it is still an issue. - Dave