From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Catonano Subject: Re: my latest blog post Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 15:07:17 +0200 Message-ID: References: <877enaimsn.fsf@fastmail.com> <87po11j46q.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87k1r91hkp.fsf@elephly.net> <877en8171p.fsf@elephly.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000416376056e353272" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50307) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRdaT-0004rA-6U for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 09:07:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRdaR-0000Nw-V4 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 09:07:21 -0400 Received: from mail-yb0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c09::22d]:38123) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRdaR-0000NP-Ov for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 09:07:19 -0400 Received: by mail-yb0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id q62-v6so5291934ybg.5 for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2018 06:07:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <877en8171p.fsf@elephly.net> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Ricardo Wurmus Cc: guix-devel , Joshua Branson --000000000000416376056e353272 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2018-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Ricardo Wurmus : > > Catonano writes: > > >> Andy=E2=80=99s time is still limited. What other people can do is dis= cuss > >> *specific* cases on guile-devel and work towards a solution. But plea= se > >> do not demand of others to explain everything in detail. (I=E2=80=99m= directing > >> this at everyone who heeds my advice to go to guile-devel, not at any > >> one person in particular.) In order to have a positive impact you als= o > >> need to learn enough about the state of the art to ensure that the > >> discussions can be productive. > >> > > > > I think I demonstrated I am ready to put some effort into this > > > > And I think this remark is unfair > > I wrote this: > > But please do not demand of others to explain everything in detail. > (I=E2=80=99m directing this at everyone who heeds my advice to go to > guile-devel, not at any one person in particular.) > > Rephrasing: I=E2=80=99d like to point this out to people who take this > opportunity to bemoan the lack of other features or who disagree with > what they think are different priorities. You do not feel addressed if > you know you=E2=80=99ve made efforts in this area. > This is another of your points I can't process now I'll try again later > > > And saying I should come on guile-dev and actually provide what I thin = is > > useful, nowing that I can't (not immediately is not a fair answer eithe= r > > > > Because it's equivalent to a "fuck you" > > Wow. No. > > I think that=E2=80=99s an *extremely* uncharitable reading of what I wrot= e. I > will refrain from further comments in this thread lest what I write will > be misconstrued in a similar fashion. > O, I'll try to clarify this one too. Just not now > > >> With regards to the shouting match on #guile that you linked in your > >> blog post, I can only say that I would have likely stepped in had this > >> happened when I was around. Textual communication certainly should no= t > >> reach these levels of apparent aggression. > >> > > > > What do you mean with "apparent" ? > > I=E2=80=99m pretty bad at gauging emotion in textual communication and it= =E2=80=99s > generally not easy to infer the intended tone in short text messages. > That said, the exchange you linked to appeared to me to be of an > aggressive nature. That=E2=80=99s what I mean by =E2=80=9Capparent=E2=80= =9D. > It was of an aggressive nature I was assaulted in an arbitrary, unwarranted and uncalled for way It was wild Because I had used G-golf as an example I had also used Skribilo as another example You now what Ludo did ? Instead of calling me an hopeless moron unwilling to learn, he went and updated Skribilo, without saying a single word I noticed And I appreciated it So, yes, it was aggressie indeed Again. I'll try to be more complete later --000000000000416376056e353272 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2018-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephl= y.net>:

Catonano <catonano@gmail.com&g= t; writes:

>> Andy=E2=80=99s time is still limited.=C2=A0 What other people can = do is discuss
>> *specific* cases on guile-devel and work towards a solution.=C2=A0= But please
>> do not demand of others to explain everything in detail.=C2=A0 (I= =E2=80=99m directing
>> this at everyone who heeds my advice to go to guile-devel, not at = any
>> one person in particular.)=C2=A0 In order to have a positive impac= t you also
>> need to learn enough about the state of the art to ensure that the=
>> discussions can be productive.
>>
>
> I think I demonstrated I am ready to put some effort into this
>
> And I think this remark is unfair

I wrote this:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0But please do not demand of others to explain everything in de= tail.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(I=E2=80=99m directing this at everyone who heeds my advice to= go to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0guile-devel, not at any one person in particular.)

Rephrasing: I=E2=80=99d like to point this out to people who take th= is
opportunity to bemoan the lack of other features or who disagree with
what they think are different priorities.=C2=A0 You do not feel addressed i= f
you know you=E2=80=99ve made efforts in this area.
This is another of your points I can't process now

<= /div>
I'll try again later

=C2=A0

> And saying I should come on guile-dev and actually provide what I thin= is
> useful, nowing that I can't (not immediately is not a fair answer = either
>
> Because it's equivalent to a "fuck you"

Wow.=C2=A0 No.

I think that=E2=80=99s an *extremely* uncharitable reading of what I wrote.= =C2=A0 I
will refrain from further comments in this thread lest what I write will be misconstrued in a similar fashion.

O= , I'll try to clarify this one too.
Just not now

= =C2=A0

>> With regards to the shouting match on #guile that you linked in yo= ur
>> blog post, I can only say that I would have likely stepped in had = this
>> happened when I was around.=C2=A0 Textual communication certainly = should not
>> reach these levels of apparent aggression.
>>
>
> What do you mean with "apparent" ?

I=E2=80=99m pretty bad at gauging emotion in textual communication a= nd it=E2=80=99s
generally not easy to infer the intended tone in short text messages.
That said, the exchange you linked to appeared to me to be of an
aggressive nature.=C2=A0 That=E2=80=99s what I mean by =E2=80=9Capparent=E2= =80=9D.


It was of an aggressive nat= ure

I was assaulted in an arbitrary, unwarranted and unca= lled for way

It was wild

Because I had = used G-golf as an example

I had also used Skribilo as ano= ther example

You now what Ludo did ?

In= stead of calling me an hopeless moron unwilling to learn, he went and updat= ed Skribilo, without saying a single word

I noticed
And I appreciated it

So, yes, it was aggress= ie indeed

Again. I'll try to be more complete later

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