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To: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: Guillaume LE VAILLANT <glv@posteo.net>, 36071@debbugs.gnu.org

Hi,

Thank you for the package.

On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 23:03, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:

> > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@gnu.org> a =C3=A9crit :
> >
> >> Does the game run at all if we don=E2=80=99t download additional netwo=
rk
> >> weight data?
> >>
> >> There=E2=80=99s a debate as to whether trained neural network paramete=
rs can
> >> be considered =E2=80=9Csource=E2=80=9D: <https://lwn.net/Articles/7601=
42/>.
> >

[...]

> My point is about whether these trained neural network data are
> something that we could distribute per the FSDG.

[...]

>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D903634

In addition, the thread on debian-devel exposes arguments (summarized by LW=
N).
See there:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2018/07/msg00153.html


> Perhaps we could do the same, but I=E2=80=99d like to hear what others th=
ink.

I need myself to digest the issue.
Hum? FSF has never risen the issue---or I am not aware of.

Aside the practical discussion about this package---thank you for the
work!---, there is a real concern about Reproducibility and Freedom
with the weights of statistical models. However, this is perhaps not
so far from free client / proprietary database situation.

Well, it should be better to discuss this concern on
guix-devel---risking bikeshedding. :-)
At least to collect contradictory arguments.


All the best,
simon