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From: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>
Cc: raid5atemyhomework <raid5atemyhomework@protonmail.com>,
	"45692@debbugs.gnu.org" <45692@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: [bug#45692] [PATCH v4 3/3] gnu: Add ZFS service type.
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 19:17:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJ3okZ2US0-n_0DUuzWrZNjThSoi=K1Mz+yXLQ6o81FeUahMqw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a4eb0f76fc225c04039d8a2f83223e6de1a2b21b.camel@telenet.be>

Hi Maxime,

On Mon, 6 Sept 2021 at 12:41, Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be> wrote:

> ‘Nevertheless, there may be arguments for contributory and/or indirect copyright
> infringement in many jurisdictions. We present no specific analysis ourselves on
> the efficacy of a contributory infringement claim regarding source-only distributions
> of ZFS and Linux. However, in our GPL litigation experience, we have noticed that
> judges are savvy at sniffing out attempts to circumvent legal requirements, and they
> are skeptical about attempts to exploit loopholes. Furthermore, we cannot predict
> Oracle's view — given its past willingness to enforce copyleft licenses, and Oracle's
> recent attempts to adjudicate the limits of copyright in Court. Downstream users should
> consider carefully before engaging in even source-only distribution.’

The « Nevertheless » is because the previous sentence is:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
[…] Therefore, the analysis is simpler, and we find no specific clause
in either license that prohibits source-only redistribution of Linux and
ZFS, even on the same distribution media.

Nevertheless, […]
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

My understanding is:

 - binary distribution violates licenses
 - source-only distribution appears to be fine
 - SFC cannot guarantee because all the arguments about source-only
distribution have never been tested in Court.

Moreover, they write an explicit paragraph why « You cannot and should
not rely on this document as legal advice. » ;-)


> I don't quite see a GPL violation anymore if we only distribute unmodified

Good. :-)

> source code.  However, what about freedom (1) and (3) (freedom to [...] and
> change the program in source form and (3) distribute modified versions)?

Each license is free [1].  Therefore, they respect all the freedoms.
The issue is about linking the result and distribute the binary.

1: <https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:CDDL-1.0>

> (*) raid5atemyhomework noted that guix does _not_ distribute source code,
> it only points to source code locations.  I don't quite agree.  From my
> point of view, on whose server the source code is hosted is merely a
> technicality, guix is just ‘out-sourcing’ the source code distribution.
> Besides, ci.guix.gnu.org keeps a copy of the source code, and
> (guix download) will try to download from ci.guix.gnu.org.

Indeed, ci.guix.gnu.org keeps a copy of (as much as possible) source
code.  But ci.guix.gnu.org does not distribute all the corresponding
binaries: see 'arguments' '#:substitutable? #f'.  It is already the
case for the package 'zfs':

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
    (arguments
     `(;; The ZFS kernel module should not be downloaded since the license
       ;; terms don't allow for distributing it, only building it locally.
       #:substitutable? #f
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

<https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/packages/file-systems.scm?id=a4ffe3d145b00736f5fdf53ee2c70a7e48592e83#n1175>

As explained in the initial submission [2], this patch set is just a
"glue" usable by the user locally.  No binaries on the Guix side is
involved. All the source-code is under free license.

2: <http://issues.guix.gnu.org/45692#0>


Cheers,
simon




  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-09-06 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-06 15:52 [bug#45692] [PATCH 0/4] Even Better ZFS Support on Guix raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-06 15:54 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 1/4] gnu: Allow services to install kernel-loadable modules raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-08 16:16   ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-02-10 14:13   ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 0/4] Even Better ZFS Support on Guix Ludovic Courtès
2021-02-10 15:44   ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-02-10 16:49     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-06 15:55 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 2/4] gnu: Make file-systems target extensible by services raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-23 13:05   ` 宋文武
2021-01-25  0:18     ` guix-patches--- via
2021-02-10 14:17       ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 0/4] Even Better ZFS Support on Guix Ludovic Courtès
2021-02-10 14:46         ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-06 15:56 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 3/4] gnu: Fix ZFS package raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-07  8:23   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2021-01-06 15:57 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 4/4] gnu: Add ZFS service raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-06 19:41   ` [bug#45703] kernel-module-configuration-service for configuring kernel parameters Danny Milosavljevic
2021-01-07  0:04     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-07  5:38       ` [bug#45692] " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-07  9:16         ` [bug#42193] " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-08 15:02   ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 4/4] gnu: Add ZFS service raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-01-09  8:31     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-02-08  3:31       ` Danny Milosavljevic
2021-02-08  6:25         ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-02-10 14:27     ` [bug#45692] [PATCH 0/4] Even Better ZFS Support on Guix Ludovic Courtès
2021-02-10 14:32       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-02-13  1:49       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-03-22 14:33 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v3 0/3] New patch series for " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-03-28 12:55   ` Léo Le Bouter via Guix-patches via
2021-03-29  4:39     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-07-23 15:11       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-03-22 14:33 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v3 1/3] gnu: Allow services to install kernel-loadable modules raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-05-11 14:17   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2021-03-22 14:34 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v3 2/3] gnu: Add zfs-auto-snapshot raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-05-11 14:05   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2021-05-13  1:21     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-05-13 13:08       ` Danny Milosavljevic
2021-03-22 14:35 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v3 3/3] gnu: Add ZFS service type raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-07-25 14:03   ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-07-25 14:31 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v4 " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-08-01  9:41   ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-08-10 11:43     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-08-31  0:48       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-02 20:57   ` Maxime Devos
2021-09-02 22:22     ` Maxime Devos
2021-09-03 12:41       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-04 18:58     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-06  8:08     ` zimoun
2021-09-06 10:40       ` Maxime Devos
2021-09-06 11:08         ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-06 17:17         ` zimoun [this message]
2021-09-07  9:54           ` Maxime Devos
2021-09-08  1:23             ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-15 14:04               ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-21  9:42                 ` zimoun
2021-09-04 21:19   ` Xinglu Chen
2021-09-06 10:52     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-09-06 14:22       ` Xinglu Chen
2021-09-02 21:24 ` [bug#45692] Gaslighting Mason Loring Bliss
2021-09-03 12:22   ` Maxime Devos
2021-09-06  7:59   ` [bug#45692] zimoun
2021-09-30 14:56 ` [bug#45692] [PATCH v5 3/3] gnu: Add ZFS service type raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-10-19 13:18   ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-10-27  7:30     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-10-27 16:38       ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2021-11-30 15:26         ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-12-12 13:32           ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2021-12-21 21:15             ` [bug#45643] [PATCH 0/3] Better Support for ZFS on Guix Brice Waegeneire
2022-01-01 11:59               ` [bug#45692] bug#45643: " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-01-19 14:24                 ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-01-07  4:21 ` [bug#45692] " raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-02-14 14:10   ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-02-18  7:13     ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-03-16 23:44       ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-03-17  8:24       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-03-17 17:22         ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 18:38           ` zimoun
2022-03-17 19:10             ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-19 14:24           ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-03-20  4:42             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-03-19 14:09         ` raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via
2022-03-19 16:22           ` Leo Famulari
2022-03-19 14:25 ` [bug#45692] (No Subject) raid5atemyhomework via Guix-patches via

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