From: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>
Cc: raid5atemyhomework <raid5atemyhomework@protonmail.com>,
"45692@debbugs.gnu.org" <45692@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: [bug#45692] [PATCH v4 3/3] gnu: Add ZFS service type.
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 19:17:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJ3okZ2US0-n_0DUuzWrZNjThSoi=K1Mz+yXLQ6o81FeUahMqw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a4eb0f76fc225c04039d8a2f83223e6de1a2b21b.camel@telenet.be>
Hi Maxime,
On Mon, 6 Sept 2021 at 12:41, Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be> wrote:
> ‘Nevertheless, there may be arguments for contributory and/or indirect copyright
> infringement in many jurisdictions. We present no specific analysis ourselves on
> the efficacy of a contributory infringement claim regarding source-only distributions
> of ZFS and Linux. However, in our GPL litigation experience, we have noticed that
> judges are savvy at sniffing out attempts to circumvent legal requirements, and they
> are skeptical about attempts to exploit loopholes. Furthermore, we cannot predict
> Oracle's view — given its past willingness to enforce copyleft licenses, and Oracle's
> recent attempts to adjudicate the limits of copyright in Court. Downstream users should
> consider carefully before engaging in even source-only distribution.’
The « Nevertheless » is because the previous sentence is:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
[…] Therefore, the analysis is simpler, and we find no specific clause
in either license that prohibits source-only redistribution of Linux and
ZFS, even on the same distribution media.
Nevertheless, […]
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
My understanding is:
- binary distribution violates licenses
- source-only distribution appears to be fine
- SFC cannot guarantee because all the arguments about source-only
distribution have never been tested in Court.
Moreover, they write an explicit paragraph why « You cannot and should
not rely on this document as legal advice. » ;-)
> I don't quite see a GPL violation anymore if we only distribute unmodified
Good. :-)
> source code. However, what about freedom (1) and (3) (freedom to [...] and
> change the program in source form and (3) distribute modified versions)?
Each license is free [1]. Therefore, they respect all the freedoms.
The issue is about linking the result and distribute the binary.
1: <https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:CDDL-1.0>
> (*) raid5atemyhomework noted that guix does _not_ distribute source code,
> it only points to source code locations. I don't quite agree. From my
> point of view, on whose server the source code is hosted is merely a
> technicality, guix is just ‘out-sourcing’ the source code distribution.
> Besides, ci.guix.gnu.org keeps a copy of the source code, and
> (guix download) will try to download from ci.guix.gnu.org.
Indeed, ci.guix.gnu.org keeps a copy of (as much as possible) source
code. But ci.guix.gnu.org does not distribute all the corresponding
binaries: see 'arguments' '#:substitutable? #f'. It is already the
case for the package 'zfs':
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(arguments
`(;; The ZFS kernel module should not be downloaded since the license
;; terms don't allow for distributing it, only building it locally.
#:substitutable? #f
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
<https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/packages/file-systems.scm?id=a4ffe3d145b00736f5fdf53ee2c70a7e48592e83#n1175>
As explained in the initial submission [2], this patch set is just a
"glue" usable by the user locally. No binaries on the Guix side is
involved. All the source-code is under free license.
2: <http://issues.guix.gnu.org/45692#0>
Cheers,
simon
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