From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: zimoun Subject: Re: Guix and FSDG Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:39:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <91c877cfe5d19d192b53da2c7cd2a741c30a37f7.camel@disroot.org> <877e3rz8rs.fsf@lassieur.org> <875zjakhvb.fsf@roquette.mug.biscuolo.net> <87d0di7th9.fsf@lassieur.org> <87k17q1njt.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iZM5S-0003kF-HW for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:40:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iZM5R-00083Z-4v for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:40:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87k17q1njt.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: =?UTF-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: guix-devel , =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment_Lassieur?= Hi, On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 19:00, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > Cl=C3=A9ment Lassieur skribis: > > > Indeed 'guix build --source' returns the freed source. However, the > > original archive does end up in /gnu/store, and its path in displayed > > during the build. > > (Only if you build from source, without substitutes, etc.) If I read correctly, Cl=C3=A9ment just points out inaccuracies of the David's answer [0]: [0] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2019-11/msg00376.html << The most important part of this process is that the original source archive is *never* accessible to the Guix user via any Guix tools. >> Correct, even if Guix tools is vague. Is "guix repl" a Guix tools? :-) << The original archive is discarded and does not end up in the canonical location for Guix data: /gnu/store. >> Incorrect, as Cl=C3=A9ment shows. And it is not a bug of the very particular zpaq package, but a general feature of how Guix works. << Therefore, Guix has taken sufficient technical measures to avoid steering its user towards nonfree software and thus Guix is compliant with the FSDG. >> > The spirit of the FSDG is that the distro must not provide, recommend, or > link to non-free code, and I think Guix is following that to the letter. We all agree on that. I guess. In the initial Raghav's message, it seems that the argument is: because Guix downloads non-free code in order to install free software, then Guix does not follow the FSDG. This argument misreads the current FSDG. For example, any GNU/linux distribution needs to download non-free blobs and then removes them. Even, the FSDG webpage [1] points to scripts [2] that remove these non-free blobs. The keyword in the FSDG is "installable" and nothing is said about "download", from my understanding. [1] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html [2] http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/scripts/ > For the record, this issue was discussed in the early days of Guix and I > don=E2=80=99t think anything has changed since then. The current behavio= r of > =E2=80=98guix build --source=E2=80=99 stems from those discussions (that = was ca. 2015, > but I can=E2=80=99t find the links now). I have not found neither. However, from my perspective, all this seems more a troll than a real issue= . :-) All the best, simon