From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: yoosty@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PATCH] Quick-start guide Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 22:07:58 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8760tjkft8.fsf@gnu.org> <20160611174955.GA9544@jasmine> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114fd436e87e2705354a1a62 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56262) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bD33c-0003Vn-JI for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 01:08:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bD33a-0004cN-3t for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 01:08:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20160611174955.GA9544@jasmine> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Leo Famulari Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org --001a114fd436e87e2705354a1a62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Leo Famulari wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 06:43:21AM -0700, yoosty@gmail.com wrote: > > Upon further reflection.. The Guix manual might not be an appropriate > place > > for such a guide. If the Guix manual isn't a good place for such a set of > > instructions, do you have any suggestions for a location (blog, etc)? > > There is this useful wiki managed by Raymond Nicholson: > https://gitlab.com/rain1/guix-wiki/wikis/home > > Although, I'd like to echo Ludovic's question, and also say that the > goal of the manual is to be completely sufficient for first-timers and > experienced users alike. > > I find the phenomenon of 3rd party wikis giving instructions on how to > use some piece of software to be a dismaying "antipattern". And, the > situation only gets worse as people send documentation to the 3rd party > wiki instead of to the software project in questoin. > I agree on the 3rd party wikis point as well, hence my willing to pick up some Texinfo and attempt submitting a patch :) > > So, please tell us of any specific shortcomings! It seems that you would > prefer "System Installation" to begin with an outline? > Now that you mention it.. Merging what I've done in to the "System Installation" section would make more sense location-wise but.. After reading the feedback here and spending some more time in IRC (which really drives home the feedback about translations and colloquialisms, thanks John) I would like to do the following: - Add a contiguous set of examples to the existing "System Installation" section (such that if you follow the examples you will almost certainly end up with a working system, even if you don't read much of anything else) - Add at least one more sub-section to "System Installation" that introduces users to extending/customizing the initial system's .scm file -- Something like a "Where to go from here? Customizing your installation." -- A chance to tease users in to Scheme programming Sound better? -- .:Justin:. --001a114fd436e87e2705354a1a62 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name><= /span> wrote:
On Sat, Ju= n 11, 2016 at 06:43:21AM -0700, yoosty@= gmail.com wrote:
> Upon further reflection.. The Guix manual migh= t not be an appropriate place
> for such a guide. If the Guix manual isn't a good place for such a= set of
> instructions, do you have any suggestions for a location (blog, etc)?<= br>
There is this useful wiki managed by Raymond Nicholson:
https://gitlab.com/rain1/guix-wiki/wikis/home

Although, I'd like to echo Ludovic's question, and also say that th= e
goal of the manual is to be completely sufficient for first-timers and
experienced users alike.

I find the phenomenon of 3rd party wikis giving instructions on how to
use some piece of software to be a dismaying "antipattern". And, = the
situation only gets worse as people send documentation to the 3rd party
wiki instead of to the software project in questoin.
<= br>I agree on the 3rd party wikis point as well, hence my willing to pick u= p some Texinfo and attempt submitting a patch :)
=C2=A0

So, please tell us of any specific shortcomings! It seems that you would prefer "System Installation" to begin with an outline?

Now that you mention it.. Merging what I've done= in to the "System Installation" section would make more sense lo= cation-wise but..

After reading the= feedback here and spending some more time in IRC (which really drives home= the feedback about translations and colloquialisms, thanks John) I would l= ike to do the following:
- Add a contiguous set of examples to the existing "System Installation= "=20 section (such that if you follow the examples you will almost certainly=20 end up with a working system, even if you don't read much of anything e= lse)
- Add at least one more sub-sectio= n to "System Installation" that introduces users to extending/cus= tomizing the initial system's .scm file
-- Something like a "Where to go from here? Customizing your inst= allation."
-- A chance to tease us= ers in to Scheme programming

=
Sound better?

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=C2=A0=C2=A0 .:Justin:.
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