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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=teOyGEwQ; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.09 X-TUID: +/p+KUDbAnLV --0000000000003f3d9b05a5daf92a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I noticed this, too but wasn't going to say anything. That footer is outlandish. I think you ought to nix the whole thing. On Sun, May 17, 2020, 09:29 Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > My apologies to Guix devs for offtopic (I hope adding an appropriate tag > to subject is enough not to disturb those who do not want to be disturbed= ), > but I could not pass this by: > > Trevor Lee wrote: > > 1. *The content of this email is confidential and intended for the > recipient specified in message only. > > Nope, you=CA=BCve sent it to a public mailing list. ;-) > > And even if put this mistake aside: > > > It is strictly forbidden to share any part of this message with any > third party, without a written consent of the sender. > > By whom? Is there anyone, who is capable of =E2=80=98strictly forbidding= =E2=80=99 me (or > anyone else) to do anything? I would suggest you to revise the wording. > > > If you received this message by mistake, please reply to this messag= e > and follow with its deletion, so that we can ensure such a mistake does n= ot > occur in the future.* > > While this is undoubtedly formulated better, it contradicts with the > normal workflow of most people: they could either reply to the letter > (often citing the enough context) and store it in their archive forever > along with their reply, or trash it. > > > 2. *This message has been sent as a part of discussion between Begle= y > Brothers Inc. and the addressee whose name is specified above. Should you > receive this message by mistake, we would be most grateful if you informe= d > us that the message has been sent to you. In this case, we also ask that > you delete this message from your mailbox, and do not forward it or any > part of it to anyone else. Thank you for your cooperation and > understanding.* > > Are not you repeating yourself? > > > 3. *Begley Brothers Inc. puts the security of the client at a high > priority. Therefore, we have put efforts into ensuring that the message i= s > error and virus-free. Unfortunately, full security of the email cannot be > ensured as, despite our efforts, the data included in emails could be > infected, intercepted, or corrupted. > > Sure, perfect secrecy / security cannot be achieved. But, for instance, > signing and encrypting your mail sufficiently lower the chances that it > would be tampered with and read by adversary third party respectively. > > Unfortunately, you neither sign your mail, nor I can find your key to sen= d > you an encrypted one: it is not published neither at open keyserver netwo= rk > (for now represented by keyserver.ubuntu.com), neither at proprietary > keys.openpgp.org. And gmail.com, of course, does not provide > webkey-directory, let aside DANE. > > > Therefore, the recipient should check the email for threats with > proper software, as the sender does not accept liability for any damage > inflicted by viewing the content of this email.* > > It seems, that you have really decided to scare all your clients off. :-) > --0000000000003f3d9b05a5daf92a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, I noticed this, too but wasn't going to say any= thing.=C2=A0 That footer is outlandish.=C2=A0 I think you ought to nix the = whole thing.

On Sun, May 17, 2020, 09:29 Dmitry Alexandrov <dag@gnui.org> wrote:
My apologies to Guix devs for offtopic (I hope adding an appr= opriate tag to subject is enough not to disturb those who do not want to be= disturbed), but I could not pass this by:

Trevor Lee <begleybrothers@gmail.com> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1. *The content of this email is confidential and intende= d for the recipient specified in message only.

Nope, you=CA=BCve sent it to a public mailing list. ;-)

And even if put this mistake aside:

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It is strictly forbidden to share any part of this messag= e with any third party, without a written consent of the sender.

By whom?=C2=A0 Is there anyone, who is capable of =E2=80=98strictly forbidd= ing=E2=80=99 me (or anyone else) to do anything?=C2=A0 I would suggest you = to revise the wording.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you received this message by mistake, please reply to = this message and follow with its deletion, so that we can ensure such a mis= take does not occur in the future.*

While this is undoubtedly formulated better, it contradicts with the normal= workflow of most people: they could either reply to the letter (often citi= ng the enough context) and store it in their archive forever along with the= ir reply, or trash it.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2. *This message has been sent as a part of discussion be= tween Begley Brothers Inc. and the addressee whose name is specified above.= Should you receive this message by mistake, we would be most grateful if y= ou informed us that the message has been sent to you. In this case, we also= ask that you delete this message from your mailbox, and do not forward it = or any part of it to anyone else. Thank you for your cooperation and unders= tanding.*

Are not you repeating yourself?

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 3. *Begley Brothers Inc. puts the security of the client = at a high priority. Therefore, we have put efforts into ensuring that the m= essage is error and virus-free. Unfortunately, full security of the email c= annot be ensured as, despite our efforts, the data included in emails could= be infected, intercepted, or corrupted.

Sure, perfect secrecy / security cannot be achieved.=C2=A0 But, for instanc= e, signing and encrypting your mail sufficiently lower the chances that it = would be tampered with and read by adversary third party respectively.

Unfortunately, you neither sign your mail, nor I can find your key to send = you an encrypted one: it is not published neither at open keyserver network= (for now represented by keyserver.ubuntu.com), neither at= proprietary keys.openpgp.org.=C2=A0 And gmail.com, of c= ourse, does not provide webkey-directory, let aside DANE.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Therefore, the recipient should check the email for threa= ts with proper software, as the sender does not accept liability for any da= mage inflicted by viewing the content of this email.*

It seems, that you have really decided to scare all your clients off. :-)
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