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bh=TYdlqaGXvV69CUcltjfpcisXU0VX3rcUkY8aZPOydqQ=; b=FIr2ysrrIhuOciirnsSgioOFHkFG0Ge+BXAN0L5a327GULe8DiOMNIBBGLpptRTDBv8G97 QnvPmQ2MbC+BWfeysSpa9ILzZ5U8t0xI7kOcR8EcDvL+stnlzmW2y9ZKze1XY8IUVepL0W xoGu0JU4TYWop04nDIKbGfxvIzgfUG6+CX4hmqQEzL/5WoLCq2VX4eVkZLBJZAatNuYE6R WvgKvMkA95qmIdYFbnpHv2N37UKcIKtwFedrzhBEEFecNFYoZJW/N8+AvKiufvWEQ23DuF kiK/eRVBHc3D3BdYs1+N+YzPF5Wz0IxAENDkfrnVlk/IrhxHV6BrMTC1fwjJeQ== X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lease-up.com header.s=2017 header.b=QkXozrIE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.98 X-Spam-Score: -1.98 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 759BC24494 X-TUID: h/cAT5dMu5gu Hi Gottfried, On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 7:23=E2=80=AFAM Gottfried wrot= e: > > It seems to me, after using Guix for 1 year, that packages for > developers like Emacs are very well maintained. You are right. For better or for worse, Guix is a speciality distribution. Some of us have higher hopes. Personally, I believe Guix has the potential to be the next Debian. > But others like the different desktops have constantly problems and you > can not use everything on those desktops. only the basics are working. > But they don=E2=80=99t work well with all the additional add-ons. Many Guix folks come from other Linux or BSD distributions. We have years of experience fixing our systems. We have high thresholds for technical pain. We are zealots. A user's convenience is usually not a huge factor for us. [1] It puts us at odds with nice folks like yourself. > In other distros like manjaro, endeavour I remember the desktops and > they are working well with all the add-ons, but in Guix it is different. There are many distributions out there. You should pick the one that is best for you. > Probably there is not enough time and interest for the developers of > Guix to deal with the desktops. They deal more with the packages for > scientific use and not so much with those packages for the daily normal > users. If you are staying with Guix (which I would wholeheartedly encourage) you should try to find (or perhaps organize) a group with interests similar to yourself. You have to find people with the same goals so you can learn and advocate together. Already the Talmud stated right in its introduction: "Provide for yourself a teacher and get yourself a friend." (Pirkei Avot 1:6) [2] To you I hope to be a bit of both, but your interest in music and other arts surpasses my own. Anyone with interest in MIDI and editing music may please speak up! Kind regards Felix [1] https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=3DCP8CNp-vksc [2] https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/pirkei-avot-ethics-of-the-fath= ers-3/